DII Indoor Predictions

Queens NY is the worst place to run. Great job to Simmons for training Crouch in the Big Apple.

Born on the 4th of July wrote:

Queens NY is the worst place to run. Great job to Simmons for training Crouch in the Big Apple.

Queens University of Charlotte is in Charlotte, North Carolina

Don't let 'em fool you. Charlotte is just the satellite campus.

They do all their training in Queens NYC. I see 'em all the time. Dodging cabs and dodging bullets. Hill work on bridges and overpasses. Doing deep water running in the Long Island sound.

That Queens kid is tough. NYC tough!!!

Crouch is a stud

WSC wrote:

Western faded bad. What the hell happened to Pennel?

What you saw is the classic example of the new coaching staff at WSC and their inability to prepare athletes for the big races. Pennel is a great runner and has a ton of talent, but he runs for a coach that is completely clueless when it comes to producing talent, and the coach's association gave her coach of the year recently in cross country. WSC won't produce better than 5th place runner while the current staff is in place.

maybe we should wait until outdoors to pass judgement?

hm.. wrote:

maybe we should wait until outdoors to pass gass?

and the coach's association gave her coach of the year recently in cross country. WSC won't produce better than 5th place runner while the current staff is in place.

Her CC COY award was just to spite ACU winning back to back CC titles. Voting is the one thing the coaches can control to ensure that the winning coaches don't get COY.

How many times has the Lincoln or St. Augs coach been named COY after winning a national title?

Votes and coach of the year awards are giving out before the actual national competition. It is based off of what happened throughout the season - it is not the "Coach of the National Meet" award. Most understand that a track national championship doesn't deserve a coach of the year award based on that fact alone.

The track teams of Lincoln and St. Augs are jokes at a conference, duel meet level.

I have no dog in the WSC fight though. Hopefully they turn it around as it was nice for them and Adams to have head to head battles. We are currently seeing Adams at around their all-time best and WSC at around an all-time low. The extremes don't help the situation out.

Div II Fan wrote:

Votes and coach of the year awards are giving out before the actual national competition. It is based off of what happened throughout the season - it is not the "Coach of the National Meet" award. Most understand that a track national championship doesn't deserve a coach of the year award based on that fact alone.

The track teams of Lincoln and St. Augs are jokes at a conference, duel meet level.

I have no dog in the WSC fight though. Hopefully they turn it around as it was nice for them and Adams to have head to head battles. We are currently seeing Adams at around their all-time best and WSC at around an all-time low. The extremes don't help the situation out.

Bro your argument for COY is kind of weak. Look back to the year that she won COY WSC got handled by ASC in almost every meet except for one, and tied for second at NCAAs. If anyone outside of the coach for the then Champions should have won it, it should have been Martin, or some other coach out there that had a remarkable season with a team that had a darkhorse type of season. Bottom line is Michael inherited a team that was defending champions for the 7th time since 1999 and a great number of the Vandenbusche recruits were still on the team. She had a phenomenal supporting cast in Oliver Bodor, Russ Dryer, etc and couldn't get the job done. Then due in large part to her inability to effectively produce athletes that can perform WSC has slowly slipped to what you are describing as an all time low. the only way out of that low is to bring in someone with half a coaching mind, and some logical experience when it comes to coaching and motivation otherwise we are just witnessing the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the downward spiral that WSC is on right now.

Didn't they finish 2nd at NCAA's in XC? I thought they stepped up nicely there and I'm not a big Western Fan.

Obviously I didn't make my position clear. I didn't know enough about the WSC situation when Coach Michel got the COY award. My response was really focused at how a COY is picked in Div II - which is usually by the body of work during the season and how that is why St. Augs and Lincoln shouldn't be in the picture (partial track teams).

Div II Fan wrote:

Votes and coach of the year awards are giving out before the actual national competition. It is based off of what happened throughout the season - it is not the "Coach of the National Meet" award. Most understand that a track national championship doesn't deserve a coach of the year award based on that fact alone.

The track teams of Lincoln and St. Augs are jokes at a conference, duel meet level.

So how did she have a bigger CC season than ACU in 07?

ACU won the Oklahoma State Jamboree over Arkansas & OK State. Places 2nd at Chile Pepper behind Arkansas, beating 30 some odd other D1 teams. If only the coach had raced them against some PAC 10 competition...

So what's more important? Dual meets, conference?

Give me a break.

Any DI that's any good would not be posting on letsrun.

Ur_a_bitter_d2_coach - read the post right above yours and you will have the answer to your rant.

Bitter kiwi wannabe coach? Get a life!