Is Tegenkamp Blood Doping?

its for sure performance enhancing. hes letting his body recover so he can train harder. what if he is doing this every week? its unfair and remember this is someone who never won a ncaa title because of injuries.

it rubs the lotion on it's skin

sounds like when he injects the platelets, they stay in the area of the injury, the knee. so i guess if you want to consider this blood doping, then the only part of his body benefiting from it is his knee. gee, I know I would run a lot faster if my knee received more oxygen come race day.

maybe we should not allow athletes to take ibuprofen, or other anti-inflammatory drugs, because these can aid in healing. which makes them performance enhancers, right?

I think Chelsea FC from the EPL got in trouble for something like this about two years ago.

I think people like to bash other runner who are better than they are on this forum. You don't know anything about what is going on with Tegenkamp and his injury. You are bashing Tegenkamp like you guy bash Galen Rupp. Is this forum to talk about running or is a forum to bash runner that are better than you.

When the group made the decision to move out of Madison and Jerry sold his soul to the devil (Nike/Salazar) it was just a matter of time before this sort of thing happened. Nike/Salazar have a strong belief that "if it is not banned, it is legal". Ethics is non existent.

So is the WADA bashing Tegenkamp? Are they hatin' on Teg because he is better than him? No, we don't know anything about what is going on with Tegenkamp, but we do know that what he is doing is being investigated by the WADA. We do know that Teg chose the most controversial and arguably legal treatment available, for which people who know about this treatment have stated "the ability to differentiate between legitimate and illegitimate use will be limited if not impossible".Thank you Mr. Tegenkamp, you have said all that we need to hear.

solinsky21 wrote:

I think people like to bash other runner who are better than they are on this forum. You don't know anything about what is going on with Tegenkamp and his injury. You are bashing Tegenkamp like you guy bash Galen Rupp. Is this forum to talk about running or is a forum to bash runner that are better than you.

What is next, undiagnosed asthma? Low thyroid? Low testosterone? Parasitic twin, cranking out red blood cells with different DNA? Thank you Dr. Stray-Gundersen (adviser to Salazar and the Gouchers) for assistance with that parasitic twin defense for Dirty Lil' Tyler Hamilton.

less worthy wrote:

When the group made the decision to move out of Madison and Jerry sold his soul to the devil (Nike/Salazar) it was just a matter of time before this sort of thing happened. Nike/Salazar have a strong belief that "if it is not banned, it is legal". Ethics is non existent.

you are a dumba$$, anti-inflammatory drugs do not aid in healing, they aid in reducing inflammation!

gGGG wrote:

maybe we should not allow athletes to take ibuprofen, or other anti-inflammatory drugs, because these can aid in healing. which makes them performance enhancers, right?

bitter angry troll wrote:

Follow this logic - Testosterone and EPO are naturally excreted via urination, if I collect all of my urine, spin off the EPO and testosterone, reinject them later, then what you are saying is that since these are my own bodily fluids, this isn't cheating?

You know that is not my logic if you read the whole post. You should take a class on reading comprehension. I said it does not directly increase performance like your other examples do.

I think that the poster's reading comprehension is great, and poses a brilliant rhetorical question. Obviously, doing such (storage of one's own urine, to filter out the "good parts" then re-injecting at a later date) raises a red flag for some, but it seems that for many of you the jury is still out regarding the Teg's "treatment".

This is classic "Salazar" - no doubt. If it isn't explicitly illegal, then it must be legal.

Austrian XC Skiers got doping suspensions some years ago for taking a small amount of blood, putting it under some special lamp and injecting it back, they argued that it wasn't enough blood to classify it as blood doping and that it was just some kind of alternative treatment but got banned despite all their arguments.

Typical Ignoramus wrote:

I think that the poster's reading comprehension is great, and poses a brilliant rhetorical question. Obviously, doing such (storage of one's own urine, to filter out the "good parts" then re-injecting at a later date) raises a red flag for some, but it seems that for many of you the jury is still out regarding the Teg's "treatment".

This is classic "Salazar" - no doubt. If it isn't explicitly illegal, then it must be legal.

Did you even read my post?

less worthy wrote:

When the group made the decision to move out of Madison and Jerry sold his soul to the devil (Nike/Salazar) it was just a matter of time before this sort of thing happened. Nike/Salazar have a strong belief that "if it is not banned, it is legal". Ethics is non existent.

So what is unethical about this?

I know a runner at about the same level as Teg who had very bad achilles problems. A doctor with the national team recommended the treatment that Teg outlines in that article. It was explained that it was a "gray area" but still quite legal and nothing to worry about. The runner decided not to do it for various reasons (some of which have been discussed here), but they was told several times by a national team doctor that it was a legit treatment.

Teg is innocent! He is an American white guy, the only way he could be more innocent would be if he were a hot, white American female, like Kara Goucher, although Kara does not have blond hair and blue eyes, which leaves a small percentage of doubt.

Ok, can we clarify a few things

- "Blood doping" is the practice of increasing RBC content of the blood, in order to increase the blood's oxygen carrying capacity

- The "rich platelet" therapy that Teg said he took does not increase RBC content of anything

- So it is not blood doping. For convenience we might call this therapy "blood spinning"

- The stated goal of the therapy is to speed healing (recovery, if you like) in the area where the platelets are injected

- We are not sure if it actually works. Maybe

- We are not sure if there could be any systemic healing effect outside of the local injection area. Maybe

- It does not appear to involve adding performance enhancing substances to the blood. Certainly it creates an opportunity for those so inclined.

- Regardless, faster healing does not directly improve fitness. Faster healing allows more training per unit time

- Meaning he still has to train in order to gain better fitness and achieve better race performances

- For these reasons the practice is not blood doping, nor is it very similar to blood doping

- Right now it is a legal practice

Sounds like Teg is getting a little greedy to me.

Thumbs down, Teg.