Bulls win NBA draft lottery

Quit tooting your own horn. The experts are split, at best, as to who the Bulls should take. There is by no means a consensus. Your assessment of Beasley as the best combo player in the history of the NCAA might be a bit of an overstatement too. How long have you been watching NCAA basketball? Two years? Honestly, have you forgotten Walton, Lew Alcindor, Tom Gola, Lanier...just to name a very few who have much better credentials than Beasley.I see him as just another version of Durant. He could score and rebound in college too. Unfortunately, the NBA is a totally different game. He found himself standing outside the perimeter heaving up jumpers. His ppg, shooting %, rpg and efficiency rating plummeted as compared to college. Expect the same from Beasley. Aside from that, they are totally different players. One will get other players involved in the game by distributing the ball, while the other needs to command the ball on offense to be effective. Some days he will off nights shooting and hurt his team more than he helps.The choice is clear: Rose.

trhretrey wrote:

surprise surprise, look who espn is projecting as the bulls pick. Beasley. I'm not right yet but the experts agree with me.

Seriously Rose is overrated. Beasley is the best combination of rebounder/jump shooter/post player/energy player in the history of college basketball.

Beasley is dangerous anywhere on the court where he touches the ball. Who in the NBA can guard him? He is a smaller quicker version of KG

The question with Beasley is will he be able to be very effective in low post in the NBA as he is in NCAA. He's not huge and he'll be with a ton of guys like him although taller in NBA. His game will move more to the perimeter, so does he have the handle and quickness?

I wouldn't compare him to KG at all. He's only 6"9, same as Lebron, similar to Brand, Carmelo, etc. Id compare him to Al Jefferson

Rose or Beasley= I dont think you would go wrong with either. Rose seems to have more of a competetive edge.

not me wrote:

I don't care anymore.

When the NBA decided it was OK to screw the city of Seattle because Stern was a buddy of Clay Bennett, I got very turned off. I'm boycotting the NBA.

Oh, I'm not even a bitter sonics fan.

Thanks dude, nice to see some support. I AM a bitter sonics fan, and I have not watched an NBA game since it became apparent that the Sonics were being hijacked. I hate David Stern and will only consider watching the NBA once he retires/is fired.

petey pablo wrote:

Morrisey wrote:

He can have at least two loosing seasons in NY without feeling major heat.

No way, the NY media will be all over him from day one. His cocky attitude will not go over well when they are losing.

The media in NY is well aware that the Knicks are not a quick fix. Nice try.

rose is the pick wrote:

trhretrey wrote:

I doubt they take Rose. They already have Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich. They may take Rose and deal Gordon.

The pick has to be Rose. I think any team outside of NO or Utah would be nuts to pass on him. He was the best all around player in a loaded NCAA tourney last season. Besides, Gordon and Hinrich aren't very good, and an elite PG is much more valuable than a SF/PF that can score.

Miami is in a very good position. Either they are gifted Rose, or they are in a position to make a lopsided trade to a team that really wants Marion (and his expiring contract) or Beasley.

Hinrich and Gordon are definitely good. I can't see how you can argue anyway otherwise. Gordon is one of the best 4th quarter guys in the league while Hinrich is a top 10 best true point guard in the league.

Also, does anyone else think that it is strangely convenient that Chicago won with a 1% chance just as Chi-Town native Rose was coming through? Just a thought...

Hmmmmmmm wrote:

I'm reading some stuff on the draft and the mention Beasleys "character issues". What are they? Serious?

(Michael Beasley) guesses that Oak Hill grew tired of his pranks. He wore pajamas to the school cafeteria. He threw sticks at teachers' houses. He snuck out of his dorm after curfew and organized games of hide-and-go seek.

"...I walked around with one of those Sharpies and signed graffiti everywhere. Every day, they were cleaning my name off water fountains, ceilings, desks, offices -- whatever. I just thought it was funny."

Oak Hill Coach Steve Smith blamed Beasley's poor behavior on simple immaturity. "He's really a good-hearted kid," Smith said. So, with two weeks left in the school year, Smith offered his star player one final chance: He told Beasley that, to be invited back to Oak Hill, he needed to impress administrators with flawless end-of-year behavior.

Two days later, Beasley signed his name in black ink on the principal's truck, Smith said.

"He'll definitely try your patience," Smith said. "You look at him physically and he's a full-grown man, and you think he's going to make good decisions all the time. But a lot of times, he just didn't."

...(Coach) Barton stood still, with a basketball under his right arm, and talked quietly. "Pay attention, 'cause this is important," Barton said. His players leaned in to listen. Then Beasley started shouting.

"Hey coach, pass the ball!" Beasley yelled. "Come on, coach. You're being a ball hog, yo. Pass it. I'm open."

Teammates laughed, and Barton shook his head. Over the last six months, Barton had decided mainly to ignore Beasley's childishness. He finished his scouting report and divided his players into two teams for a shirts-against-skins scrimmage. As Beasley pulled off his cotton T-shirt to play for the skins, he danced across the court.

"I'm naked! I'm naked!" Beasley yelled. "Look, coach. I'm naked!"

24 stones away from happiness wrote:

Hinrich and Gordon are definitely good. I can't see how you can argue anyway otherwise. Gordon is one of the best 4th quarter guys in the league while Hinrich is a top 10 best true point guard in the league.

I and most Chicago-area fans, strongly disagree with the bolded/underlined. Kirk does a lot of things well. But he's become a BAD floor general. I'm not being a home town complainer, either. Last year for much of the year, he was getting benched for flat out being dumb. Experts like Norm Van Lier have been critical of his PG skills. He has zero knack for guiding a team. Even Skiles last year, stated Kirk deserves slack as a PG, because he's really an off-guard. His assist #'s aren't bad... but neither were Marbury's. Kirk isn't a bad scorer and a good defender. But a PG's most important responsibility is running the team... and Kirk gets an F there.

Far as Gordon... that's a bit irrelevant. He's a SG.

24 stones away from happiness wrote:

Hinrich and Gordon are definitely good. I can't see how you can argue anyway otherwise. Gordon is one of the best 4th quarter guys in the league while Hinrich is a top 10 best true point guard in the league.

Ok, only a deluded Bulls fan could write this.

Gordon is nothing but a streaky shooter. He lights it up occasionally. That's not an uncommon skill in the NBA.

Hinrich's one of the top 10 PG's in the league?!? Are you crazy? He's lucky if he's in the top 20. Several teams have 2 PG's better than Hinrich.

Morrisey wrote:

I wouldn't compare him to KG at all. He's only 6"9, same as Lebron, similar to Brand, Carmelo, etc. Id compare him to Al Jefferson.

How about a better, more active version of a young Chris Webber??

Ben Gordon is to small to be a shooting gard, and to much of a shooting guard type to play PG. As funny as that sounds, makes sense. No doubt, he's a talent. He;s very athletic, although he can't match up well in the nba as a starter. If he was a few inches taller, he'd be an allstar caliber player. Henrich, well, I always thought he a lot of potential the first couple of play off runs. this last year, he deffenetly changed somehow. I actually thought he was on hisd way to becoming a top 10 point guard. With a strong front court (which they don't ahve), He would be able to return to his older self. I really like kerk, He has a great attitude and is pretty athletic with his defense suprisingly. He needs more help though. Maybe he is more of a shotting guard.

24 stones away from happiness wrote:

[quote]rose is the pick wrote:

[quote]trhretrey wrote:

Hinrich and Gordon are definitely good. I can't see how you can argue anyway otherwise. Gordon is one of the best 4th quarter guys in the league while Hinrich is a top 10 best true point guard in the league.

Where you watching different games than us, or are you dipping into your peyote stash?

Kirk Hinrich drives the city nuts dribbling aimlessly and picking up stupid fouls in the first quarter. Gordon spent the whole year feeling sorry for himself that the Bulls had the audacity to only offer him a 50 million contract. He's too short, can't handle the ball and can't get his own shot off. He'll never see a contract offer like that again.

Hinrich is a good guy who will find a place on the team. Gordon is a whiny piece of shit/team cancer that will hopefully be traded by July.

llkk wrote:

...I really like kerk, He has a great attitude and is pretty athletic with his defense suprisingly. He needs more help though. Maybe he is more of a shotting guard.

That's the "false smoke screen" with combo guards. Usually they can't do either well enough, and hurt the team no matter which position they play.

Kirk's scoring is good for a PG, but not good for a SG. His playmaking is better than most SG's, but bad for a PG. It's like a big man, who's not a good post player... but can shoot medicore from 3-pt land. That's not a good thing.. yet, we've created a bad niche with combo guards. A WORTHY combo guard can hang his hat at either position (like Wade can at SG). Despite Kirk's D, he cannot.

Re: Kirk, that's the "false smoke screen" with combo guards. Usually they can't do either well enough, and hurt the team no matter which position they play.

Kirk's scoring is good for a PG, but not good for a SG. His playmaking is better than most SG's, but bad for a PG. It's like a big man, who's not a good post player... but can shoot medicore from 3-pt land. That's not a good thing.. yet, we've created a bad niche with combo guards. A WORTHY combo guard can hang his hat at either position (like Wade can at SG). Despite Kirk's D, he cannot.

I agree, makes sense

rebounder/jump shooter/post player/energy player

Lew Alcindor, Bill Walton, Tom Gola, Lanier took 85 percent of their shots from within 8 feet of the rim. They are not jump shooters. They reason I compare KG to Beasley is because you can run plays for him to score from literally anywhere on the floor regardless of who is guarding him.

How often do you think John Wooden ran a play to get walton of Kareem a jump shot? Never.

I compare him to KG because he can score consistently from anywhere on the court, Rebounds with authority, and can defend 3 positions. The comparisons are good even if their body type isnt.

Lantermanc wrote:

not me wrote:

I don't care anymore.

When the NBA decided it was OK to screw the city of Seattle because Stern was a buddy of Clay Bennett, I got very turned off. I'm boycotting the NBA.

Oh, I'm not even a bitter sonics fan.

Thanks dude, nice to see some support. I AM a bitter sonics fan, and I have not watched an NBA game since it became apparent that the Sonics were being hijacked. I hate David Stern and will only consider watching the NBA once he retires/is fired.

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What people don't realize is that it just as easily could be THEIR city that gets screwed next. People talk about fan loyalty but the NBA has NO loyalty to the fans. It is NOT "fantastic." No city should be held hostage like that. Especially when Seattle had one of the better NBA markets from what I have read.

ttc wrote:

How about a better, more active version of a young Chris Webber??

Not nearly the passer CWebb was, and he has a lot to prove before you can call him "better". Webber was really, really good at one time.

I think Antawn Jamison might be an apt comparison. Beasley might have a better midrange game.

ttc wrote:

How about a better, more active version of a young Chris Webber??

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Good Call

Beasley is a totally different animal than Durant, Durant looks like a kenyan while Beasleys upper body is already at a good level.Jamison is a good comparison.