How to fix the Stanford "problem"

Stanford does NOT check every entry. They tell you they do, but that's a bunch of BS. Go look at the entries, there are plenty of guys who fudged to get in the meet. All it does is screw over guys who didn't lie.

ah, thank you for brilliantly proving my point, i love it when this happens:.....yes, and any old joe can jump on the next plane to brussels, or monaco (real easy to get into that one....NOT!), berlin, etc.

you listed 15 places there....12 of them are in europe, 3 in the states, one of those being the national meet....so that leaves two meets where standards were achieved. thanks again for proving my point.

fyi, in the near future, Eugene is going to become the third west coast spot to hit a qualifying time or big pr.

not a stanford alum but.... wrote:

ah, thank you for brilliantly proving my point, i love it when this happens:.....yes, and any old joe can jump on the next plane to brussels, or monaco (real easy to get into that one....NOT!), berlin, etc.

you listed 15 places there....12 of them are in europe, 3 in the states, one of those being the national meet....so that leaves two meets where standards were achieved. thanks again for proving my point.

fyi, in the near future, Eugene is going to become the third west coast spot to hit a qualifying time or big pr.

First of all, you didn't make a point initially. You simply asked for me to enlighten you as to where one might achieve the standard if not Palo Alto. I gave you 15 other options - consider yourself enlightened.

Secondly, if you are good enough to be chasing the A standard then, yes, you CAN be any old joe who hops on a plane for one of the above meets. See Asmerom and Rankin as I already referenced. They are nobodies internationally and they were able to run.

Third, you can't discount the USATF meet like that. What, nobody is capable of running the A standard at the Trials? It's a high level meet, it can and does happen.

You can't disregard these 15 meets I've listed just because they're inconvenient.

They do check wrote:

I know for a fact that Stanford checks every entry mark submitted. It is very time consuming but they are doing it.

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BULL SHIT. If this is true, then why is Josh Moen in the meet? He has never run under 29 minutes (the necessary minimum to be in the meet). He is in heat 2 of 3 in the 10k. So anyone that has run under 29 minutes and is in heat 3 is being cheated by Josh Moen.

Ya it's BS. I have bests within the last year of 3:47.2 and 14:21(winning by ~20sec) and didn't get in either of them, yet I can name off a dozen people off the top of my head who haven't hit either that are racing. Hell, there's 14:35ish and 3:49-50ish guys who are in while I'm sitting at home w/ a useless plane ticket because my coach didn't lie on the entry list. Lesson learned.

So whoever says they check every entry is off.

Tai Webb wrote:You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Then who the hell else are you talking... you talking to me? Well I'm the only one here. Who the f*** do you think you're talking to? Oh yeah? OK.

A Travis Bickle moment here.

I helped with the mens 10k and I can give you some numbers.

Heat 1 all entries are sub 27:40

Heat 2 all entries are sub 28:15

Heat 3 all entries are sub 29:00

I don't know the event at all, so if you folks want to call out the liars, have at it.

I hope that this is not true.

my initial point was that there are no other VIABLE options out there: you proved this perfectly. essentially you gave me 6 decent options, 2 of which we're already discussing, one which is unreliable (usa's) and the other three require an overseas plane ticket. so no, you haven't enlightened anyone, thanks.

first, Monaco, Paris, Berlin, Rieti, Hengelo, Brussels- and to a smaller extent -Madrid and Athens- are next to impossible for any american who's name is not abdi, meb, or webb. yes, i'm including Bolota and Jon, there is NO WAY IN HELL either of those guys would get into any GL meet. Eugene usually does not have a 5000 (the night prior this year being an exception).

Further, does every old joe have a couple grand laying around to fly across the pond and chase a qualifier? NOOOOO. ask bolota if he does, he's not even w/ nike anymore, you think out of the measly $10K that the OTC is giving him he has 2K of that to spare on a plane ticket? the otc "might" pay for him to go over but no guarantees.

If all the big players already have the standard, then there is even more chance USA's is going to be tactical. you think some kid on the bubble wants to sacrifice himself just so everyone else can run the standard?

Finally, a small bit of this is USATF's fault since they close the window BEFORE Victoria, which traditionally goes sub-13:20 3 out of 4 years, and usually has decent weather.

almost forgot you steve: sorry bro, 3:47 this year prob just didn't cut it. if you could have shown a 4:00 or 4:02 at Brutus last sat it prob would have sealed the deal (and you might have had to make a phone call or two making your case) but the 15 is just brutal this year. if you had run 3:47.2 in the last month, then i'm a little more understanding because i went through a similar fate several years ago there. good luck bro. btw, if you can change your ticket to lax next sat morning, sat afternoon at oxy is supposed to be a decent 1500m so.... fly to ABQ and i'll even drive you out there :)

dude-

I am predicting a Bolota DNF. History has a funny way of repeating himself.

sergio reyes, guy who won (or maybe was second) the second heat last year is in this years second heat. his pr is around 28:39 or so. he certainly deserves to be there but that's a long way from 28:15, sorry. and yes, taht is his lifetime best. so no, those entries are NOT verified.

somerandomdude-

I've got no problem with not getting in if my times didn't make the top list. The only problem I have is if guys who have run noticebly slower get in, then there's something not right. I mean there's guys w/ 349 and 1430 PR's in there. If I'm not in, they shouldn't be either. I just don't like the hypocracy.

ha, sorry i just realized from the above post about a buddy of mine in the second heat, but the post above that claims they're all legit. i also think he deserves to be there but obviously they aren't checking everything. heck, i had to lobby myself in there so maybe that's what you should have done....i didn't realize there was mt. sac style "fudge factor" in entry times, sorry. if you're in desperate need of a Q then oxy will go out around 3:39-3:40ish next sat so consider that if you still need something for regionals.

cheers, dude-

So what's stopping you from getting into the Folksam GP series, the British Milers Club series, the Flanders Cup meets, Brasschat, Liége, etc?

az loveless wrote:

They do check wrote:

I know for a fact that Stanford checks every entry mark submitted. It is very time consuming but they are doing it.

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BULL SHIT. If this is true, then why is Josh Moen in the meet? He has never run under 29 minutes (the necessary minimum to be in the meet). He is in heat 2 of 3 in the 10k. So anyone that has run under 29 minutes and is in heat 3 is being cheated by Josh Moen.

WHAT IS YOUR DEAL! WHY ARE YOU SO INTENT ON SLIMING JOSH MOEN?!?

He ran 28:40 at Stanford in 2006 and he has done well on the roads, in Cross and he broke 14 in the alternate race at the Chiba Ekiden this year.

He is in the race he deserves to be in. Some other people may also deserve to be in the race aswell but get over yourself.

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Stanford University Invitational - 3/31/2006 to 4/1/2006

Stanford University, California

Event 8 Men 10000 Meter Run Section 1 -

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Fri --8:33pm

Name Year School Finals

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Finals

1 Josphat Boit SR Arkansas 28:22.09

2 Westly Keating SR Texas-Pan Am 28:24.08

3 Rod Koborsi SR Georgetown 28:32.49

4 Andrew Lemoncello SR Florida State 28:32.92

5 Stephen Samoei JR Utep 28:36.71

6 Japheth Ng'ojoy SO Utep 28:38.73

7 Josh Moen Hanson Brooks 28:40.20

8 Bret Schoolmeester SR Colorado 28:41.95

9 John Moore SO Portland 28:43.19

10 Keith Kelly New Balance 28:44.33

11 Tim Moore SR Notre Dame 28:47.99

12 Jeremy Mineau FR Washington 28:49.69

az loveless wrote:

They do check wrote:

I know for a fact that Stanford checks every entry mark submitted. It is very time consuming but they are doing it.

.

BULL SHIT. If this is true, then why is Josh Moen in the meet? He has never run under 29 minutes (the necessary minimum to be in the meet). He is in heat 2 of 3 in the 10k. So anyone that has run under 29 minutes and is in heat 3 is being cheated by Josh Moen.

WHAT IS YOUR DEAL! WHY ARE YOU SO INTENT ON SLIMING JOSH MOEN?!?

He ran 28:40 at Stanford in 2006 and he has done well on the roads, in Cross and he broke 14 in the alternate race at the Chiba Ekiden this year.

He is in the race he deserves to be in. Some other people may also deserve to be in the race aswell but get over yourself.

RecordTiming.com - Contractor License

Stanford University Invitational - 3/31/2006 to 4/1/2006

Stanford University, California

Event 8 Men 10000 Meter Run Section 1 -

===============================================================

Fri --8:33pm

Name Year School Finals

===============================================================

Finals

1 Josphat Boit SR Arkansas 28:22.09

2 Westly Keating SR Texas-Pan Am 28:24.08

3 Rod Koborsi SR Georgetown 28:32.49

4 Andrew Lemoncello SR Florida State 28:32.92

5 Stephen Samoei JR Utep 28:36.71

6 Japheth Ng'ojoy SO Utep 28:38.73

7 Josh Moen Hanson Brooks 28:40.20

8 Bret Schoolmeester SR Colorado 28:41.95

9 John Moore SO Portland 28:43.19

10 Keith Kelly New Balance 28:44.33

11 Tim Moore SR Notre Dame 28:47.99

12 Jeremy Mineau FR Washington 28:49.69

I stand corrected. I guess it was so long ago (2 years) that it was out of mind. I don't see anyone in the third heat that belongs in the second heat. But I believe that Fasil belongs in the first heat.

I understand your concern but you should have credibility about the Bay Area when you make those statements. I mean "75 degrees at 6pm"? Are you serious? Maybe, just maybe it will be that warm, that late in the day in the summer during a heat wave. The Bay Area has the mildest climate imagineable.

How sensitive do you think distance runners are anyways? What you're basically saying is that if it's not 55 degrees and still out there, pretty much everyone is going to fall apart when the mercury reaches 65 with a light breeze. It's a given that distance runners train in ideal conditions everyday right?

San Jose State doesn't have a track and Cal-Berkeley is a solid hour drive. I'm not even going to waste my time going further into your lack of knowledge about that...

You also have to remember the spectators. Not everyone at this meet is a male distance-running fan in their late 20's with nothing to do on a Sunday night. There will be people of all ages and backgrounds there. Having the A-heats earlier will help with this. We don't have many chances to showcase our athletes like this and making the wife and kids stay until 11 for a track meet is a stretch. The reason why they have baseball games at night in the first place is the fans. Major League Baseball players were passionately against this decades ago when it first started. And by the time 10pm rolls around, the stadiums are half empty.