McMillan Elite.

Fagan is in the group because he will pay rent.

McMillan's group is about Greg making money charging rent. Athletes aren't free to find their own places. They have to live in McMillan housing and pay what he charges. Apparently this has caused a rift lately, as athletes found out the difference between what they were paying and the true cost of their housing.

Money McScrooge wrote:

Fagan is in the group because he will pay rent.

McMillan's group is about Greg making money charging rent. Athletes aren't free to find their own places. They have to live in McMillan housing and pay what he charges. Apparently this has caused a rift lately, as athletes found out the difference between what they were paying and the true cost of their housing.

This is the most idiot post I've read on here in a long time.

The McMillan group will succeed. Greg is a good coach and in time there will be no questions there. To some previous posters, he most definitely coached Martin Fagan to his 1:03 half and his 2:14 marathon. He also coached Lemoncello to his 1:03 half. The American guys he has have potential but are not blue chippers so give it time.

Fagan has attributed all of his recent success to Greg and will be in the 2:10 range in a year.

We'll also see soon how Ficker does at the Olympic Trials...

Anybody know how long it took for the Hansons to get some notable performances? I'm guessing 2-3 years...Anyways I view this group as a track version of the Hanson's, guys and gals that were so so in college but still have much potential to unleash.

Hansons started the program in 1999. They had a 6th place finish in the Olympic Trials 10k and an 11th place finish in the marathon all within the first year.

I thought their ultimate focus was on the marathon?

It seems everyone knows McMillian is not a very good coach.

It seems like you are a very bad speller.

McMillan = bad coach

McMillan = nice guy

Two quick comments:

McMillan is a Lydiard style coach. You need long term vision, not the short term vision that has(d) ruined running in North American and western Europe.

I'm all for Lydiard. But how old are the Africans who kicked our ass on Sunday? How much long term vision is going on there?

Next:

"Hansons started the program in 1999. They had a 6th place finish in the Olympic Trials 10k and an 11th place finish in the marathon all within the first year"

At the Olympic Trials, there is no 6th place and 11th place. At Olympic Trials there are two places: top 3 and everything else. If guys in those races were running to place as high as they reasonably could (and not necessarily to make the team), it wouldn't have been 6th and 11th for the 2 Hansons guys. It would have been a lot lower.

And that is not knocking on the Hansons. I don't know why everyone is so focused on "development." Ritz, Hall, Kennedy, Rupp, Teg -- all are (were for BK) young guys who are focused on the now. Why not have a model for the guys in Zap, Indiana, and Mcmillan to focus on the short term -- see how much of a jump you can make in 2 years. If you can't make that level of a jump, then the reality is they will never be a player internationally.

The Hansons put in a lot of work to get a guy on the team ---- who has no real shot of medalling. It is a great, feel good story that is nice for the sport (and for Brooks). But I don't think we should be holding it up as the model, if our goal is producing people who can compete in international championships.

Why not this model -- let's take the top 10 graduating collegians in each event and sponsor them with USATF money for 2 years. Make them all train together in the same location under the same coach. Give them DEMANDING workouts that will either a) push them closer to 3:31 / 8:00 / 13:00 / 27:20 levels, or b) weed them out. If the goal is to produce athletes who can medal, why not this?

Otherwise, McMillan is doing this to collect the rent.

(ask McMillan about the 4br house he was leasing from a professor on sabatical for $1200 a month -or $300 a room- then charging the athletes $400 a room. Several people left the group when they found this out.)

yeah, deena def should have quit after two years....good thing she didn't. dork.

Money McScrooge wrote:

Why not this model -- let's take the top 10 graduating collegians in each event and sponsor them with USATF money for 2 years. Make them all train together in the same location under the same coach. Give them DEMANDING workouts that will either a) push them closer to 3:31 / 8:00 / 13:00 / 27:20 levels, or b) weed them out. If the goal is to produce athletes who can medal, why not this?

Why not? Because USATF apparently has better uses for those monies, if they could do it then they likely would have already. At least McMillan is addressing reality through what he is doing. The greater the developing/developed talent pool, the greater the chances it will contain potential medalists.

Um...I'm hoping he makes money from it. I wouldn't expect much from a coach who wasn't making a living.

$100 month per room and there were 3 or 4 rooms?

Ummm. 2-3 showers per day, per athlete. Laundry, food, heat, A/C...um...other stuff...gas for a vehicle.

I am not aware of what is what down there...in fact all I know is what you said, but based on what you said, I still see no red flags. How much money could he make?

There are more lucrative things to do than coach a few athletes.

other than mike smith, who has been on and off with the group due to injury, who are all these "several" that left the group? uh oh, please tell me you didn't embellish to make your story look better. oops.

Money McScrooge wrote: Several people left the group when they found this out.)

Wow. Don't you bashers have anything better to do? Like running big miles? Working? Having sex with any hot ladies? Apparently not. The goddamn group just STARTED you candyass whiny babies. You can't expect things to happen overnight or even months. Ideologies and progression in distance running take YEARS to implement. All the athletes are thinking long term and will PR and progress in their own time. We can't all be goddamn Ritz and be studs right away. And if they have bad races, what should they do? Quit like you pansies and post on message boards? Do any of you even personally know any of the athletes?

However, I do approve wholeheartedly of the false innuendo and rumors started on the board about group dissention and trouble. Keep up the bullshit and disinformation, keep it right up. Why not outright lie since you can't run fast? You jealous f***ing clowns. Or not. Or go run a shit load of miles to quell your jealousy, try to PR, and be the best runner you can possibly be. Or get a girlfriend, that might help. Or go f*** something casually. Go use the bullshit energy from bashing people you only dream of racing and use it to chase some tail, NOW! Or maybe you should just put the gun in your mouth. Pull the trigger. Do it. DO IT.

Aaron,

I think you replied to one of the supporters of McMillan Elite....

I am someone who does not know much about McMillan, but it seems many have heard of him. If many do not believe he is not a good coach, how did he get where he is at.(Im not being sarcastic if the post come off that way.)

rhcptmv wrote:

I am someone who does not know much about McMillan, but it seems many have heard of him. If many do not believe he is not a good coach, how did he get where he is at.(Im not being sarcastic if the post come off that way.)

Thats the point. We are all wondering this very question.