Man, I hate this question.
There is protein everywhere. It's hard to not get enough protein. Even a baked potato will meet most of your protein requirements for a day.
Man, I hate this question.
There is protein everywhere. It's hard to not get enough protein. Even a baked potato will meet most of your protein requirements for a day.
There's lots of oxygen in water as well, but I wouldn't try breathing it.
Potatoes are healty foods but I think that a 6 oz. potato contains about 3g of protein. This might not meet your deaily requirement.
Veggie wrote:
Man, I hate this question.
There is protein everywhere. It's hard to not get enough protein. Even a baked potato will meet most of your protein requirements for a day.
Just....wow.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Veggie wrote:Man, I hate this question.
There is protein everywhere. It's hard to not get enough protein. Even a baked potato will meet most of your protein requirements for a day.
Just....wow.
Exactly Alan. We may not always be on the same page, but on this one, holy jesus this person could not be more incorrect.
A medium bake potato has about 4 grams of protein. And it is veggie protein, so it is not a complete protein and is deficient in certain amino acids. So would this potato give you "most of your protein requirements" ??? Not by the longest of shots.
livestronger wrote:
Question for those who don't eat meat:
How many grams of protein would you say you consume in a day and where do you get your major sources of protein?
Well, I'll actually answer your question...
A gram per pound of body weight anf you should be fine, and that's even a high estimate. As far as non-meat sources of protein, beans, soynuts, eggs, cottage cheese, other lower fat cheeses, and milk can all get you some quality protein.
I sprint, so my energy/diet needs are different from longer distance runners. I lift weights 3 times a week so I make sure I eat adequate protein (90-100 gms/day). I'm 5-10, 170.
I stay clear of processed items and simple carbs. I eat lots of lean meat (chicken, fish, beef), eggs, beans, nuts, fruit, and vegetables. Very little pasta, rice, or potatoes. I eat low fat dairy as well. If I crave carbs I'll have whole wheat bread or a sweet potato. I'll have steel-cut oatmeal if I want cereal.
I was told a gram per lb of body weight is too high. More like a gram per kilo of body weight (2.2 lbs.) But somebody correct either of us on this...protein intake: gram per kg of weight or gram per lb of weight?
You can get complete sources of protein that are non-meat, but not non-animal. Whey and Dairy are great sources with complete amino acids. Harder (or impossible?) to get complete amino acids with plant based sources.
Quinoa is a whole grain that also provides a complete protein (complete amino acids), I think it's like 10 grams of protein a serving. As long as you vary your protein sources, beans, soy, whole grains, dairy, and nuts you should have no problem getting enough protein without meat. You just have to make sure that you include at least 2 of these in every meal!
ticktock wrote:
Somewhere in Africa, there is a tribe which drinks only whole milk, eats only beef, with some cow's blood thrown in there. They have the lowest cholesterol of any recorded people, and nearly zero heart disease.
The link between saturated fat and heart disease is unclear at best.
By the way, a low fat diet has repeatedly been shown to be no better than a normal diet. Fats are good for you, just try to eat healthier fats. There is also nothing really wrong with beef or dairy or eggs.
That's because your ability to deal with sat. fat and cholesterol is largely a product of your genetics.
To put it bluntly, the reason they're all fine is because the people without good genes for cholesterol consumption all got killed off.
There are people in our society who eat absolute crap and are fine--because they have good genes for it. And there are people who could have high cholesterol off of a diet of celery and carrot sticks, because they drew a short straw, genetically speaking.
This means that, depending on who you are, you might be fine for the rest of your life if you eat bad food--but your heart might also be a ticking time bomb. Best to be safe!
I like to consider it this way: for hundreds of thousands of years, human genetics evolved along side the foods we ate...natural whole foods, meats, plants, etc. Humans also incorporated an active physical life. In only a handful of decades, humans have radically changed the nature of our food supply becoming industrially processed. Most of us have very little real experience with growing food, making food, and the like. Most people in the US just get food somewhere and that's where most thought about it stops. I used to have a bearded dragon and the number one care tip given was this: better quality food will ensure a healthier bearded dragon. How simple. Funny how humans have difficulty understanding what is so common sense for the care of our pets. Or our vehicles...everyone knows better maintenance and care and fuel and components will yield better performance. So the questions is better stated: What level of performance do you wish to attain? If you seek high performance, understand that your athletic ability is directly and immeasurably connected to the quality of your diet. If you have a poor diet, your performance will always be less than optimal. Have people performed well on poor diets? Yes, so what? Does this prove you can accomplish great running without worrying about your diet? No, it just means a better diet or an always improving diet will always give you another factor of improved performance. Just that. Anything you put into your body has some effect whether you are aware of it or not. Input = output.
Bodybuilders are WAY more dialed into diet than runners. It is very overlooked. The 'if the furnace is hot enough' line is as bad as an anorexic who pounds out PRs for a year and then falls apart. Same thing will happen to the junk-food eater. You have to eat healthy to perform well and with consistency which translates to improvement over time.
I was going to bring up bodybuilders as well...
a cornerstone of bodybuilding is diet...
the right diet is just as important to an amazingly muscular physique as ones training regimen or drugs..
i see parallels between bodybuilding and running and it definitely seems to me that serious runners would benefit enormously from adhering to a strict diet..
honestly, there are maybe between 10 and 15 basic foods an elite runner could (should?) subsist on..
one could lower BF% and improve recovery by watching what they eat..
what are those 10-15 foods?
Hey, then all you guys can just keep on eating fish loaded with mercury, and meat laced with fat, hormones, and chemicals. Did you know that meat processors add chemicals to meat to make it more tender, kinda like they do with cigarettes to make them milder?
I rememember US News and World Report documenting (probably about 10 years ago) that millions of pounds of meat are recalled and the public is never notified (mad cow worries, e. coli, salmonilla, etc.). Not to mention that unscrupulous vendors change the "sell by" dates on packages, and on and on. This is something to at least be aware of.
I understated it that a potato is enough, when I meant that a potato here, some sandwiches there, soups with beans and legumes--the usual vegetarian fare, is enough. A little protein here and a little there adds up. Just don't condemn a veggie diet because I'm inarticulate. Why people think you must eat meat to get protein just floors me.
I won't even get into the ring with anyone over the "complete protein" argument because that's like arguing abortion. I've been a vegetarian since 1963 and I've never spent a night in a hospital and I look a far sight better than most people my age. I just try to get the best nutrition I can.
People like meat because it tastes good. It is so ingrained in our culture: hamburgers as the basic American fare, turkey on Thanksgiving, Ham on Christmas, barbeque on 4th of July, . . . .
Meat is so full of things which are not healthy, but our government, backed by corporate welfare in the billions of dollars, blitzes the American public on why meat is so essential to make sure you "get enough protein." Studies I have seen indicate that Americans generally get too much protein, and that's why our population is rife with "diseases of affluence" like heart disease,stroke, and obesity. Even during autopsies of Americans killed in WWII--slim, fit soldiers--revealed the gradual, progressive onset of heart disease caused by our high-fat diets. Even children are already progressing toward artery clogging disease that will manifest later in life.
Even someone like Jim Fixx--who ran high mileage, was doomed by eating bacon double cheeseburgers with mayo because his arteries clogged up with all that fat until he dropped dead, and then we had to listen to fat people tell us that "running isn't all that good for you--look at Jim Fixx!"
Mohandas Gandhi admitted to eating meat only once in his lifetime, and aside from the fact that his teeth were knocked out by British soldiers and he fasted too often, he maintained a brutal physical schedule every day.
Nobel Prize laureat Albert Schweitzer is reported to have lived on lentil soup for nearly every meal, and he spent 60 years working 18-hour days healing the sick, playing piano, writing papers, and lecturing on the benefits of vegetarianism as an aid for world peace, the environment, oppression of women and the poor, and the health of all people.
I have no problem with people eating meat at every meal--that's most of my family and all of my friends. However, it is that stupid question, "Where do you get your protein," that reveals the ignorance of the general public on how appropriate and healthy a vegetarian diet can be for anyone who wants to try it and beleives he or she can maintain it.
If you ate meat, maybe you'd make your point a bit more quickly
unless you eat all pure organic vegetables, you are ingesting just as many chemicals as anyone who eats meat
I won't quote the entire post by Veggie because it's too long but....vegetarian or vegan? There is a huge difference. A vegetarian diet can be nutritionally complete if it includes animal sources of protein such as dairy and eggs. Vegan is extremely difficult and per the several coaches I've had throughout the years, not a healthy diet for an athlete.
And there is an enormous difference between eating artery-clogging bacon cheeseburgers loaded with mayo, and eating lean poulty and beef. I also don't buy my meat from "unscrupulous vendors." Unscrupulous vendors also get fruits and veggies tainted with pesticides and feces. Don't buy anything, either animal or vegetable, from a crap place.
The "complete protein" discussion is not an argument --it's a statement of fact. Non-animal sources of protein are lacking in all the essential amino acids. You don't have to eat meat to get complete protein, but you do have to eat animal sources of protein. Plant-based sources aren't sufficient.
Too much protein is not a source of heart disease --too much fat is. I've met some obese vegetarians who consider guacamole and tortilla chips fried in palm oil as a good dinner. Compare that with my skinless chicken breast, sauteed veggies, and cottage cheese. Guess who eats better? A vegetarian diet does not automatically equal healthy and low fat.
I've eaten meat all my life. I'm 57. My cholesterol readings and all other medical readings are very low. Obviously my diet and exercise program works well for me. I spent one night in a hospital --when I was 12 and had my tonsils removed. Other than that, my health is excellent.
If you get protein from non-meat animal sources such as eggs and dairy, you are doing well. However if you follow a vegan diet, as an athlete you are probably protein deficient.
Everyone wrote:
That\'s because your ability to deal with sat. fat and cholesterol is largely a product of your genetics.
To put it bluntly, the reason they\'re all fine is because the people without good genes for cholesterol consumption all got killed off.
There are people in our society who eat absolute crap and are fine--because they have good genes for it. And there are people who could have high cholesterol off of a diet of celery and carrot sticks, because they drew a short straw, genetically speaking.
This means that, depending on who you are, you might be fine for the rest of your life if you eat bad food--but your heart might also be a ticking time bomb. Best to be safe!
If you read the article, it addresses and counters your point.
omega runner wrote:
...as an athlete you are probably protein deficient.
please explain, how could a person be protein deficient?