Who has Jack Daniels Coached?

He has coached Chuck Terry.Nuff said.

Pekka Vasala ran the 800 meters in 1:44.5 on August 20, 1972.

http://www.ericr.nl/m800/year1980.html

Ryun was in excellent shape, but would he have been able to outrun Vasala over the last lap? Ryun ran 1:45.2 at the US trials on July 1.

1. David Wottle 1:44.3

2. Rick Wohlhuter 1:45.0

3. Ken Swenson 1:45.1

4. Jim Ryun 1:45.2

Wottle had the fastest 800 meters that year, but he developed tendonitis in his knees soon after the trials. So his training was mostly limited to jogging in the weeks before the Olympics. Also, he was at the end of a long NCAA season and might have been unable to hold his peak form. Had it not been for these handicaps, Wottle might have been matching Vasala stride for stride.

Avocados Number wrote:

Broken link wrote:

Daniels didn't take Lisa Martin from 400h to marathon, nor did he make Ken Martin or Joannie Benoit.

That's a bit of a strawman. Any coach who says that he "made" a world-class athlete would be taking too much credit. From what I know, I think it's fair to say that he was Ken Martin's coach during his best marathoning period.

Then it's also fair to say that Daniels was the cause of Martin's overtraining?

wow. so much could be said about your posts.

Living in the Past wrote:

Pekka Vasala ran the 800 meters in 1:44.5 on August 20, 1972.

http://www.ericr.nl/m800/year1980.html

Ryun was in excellent shape, but would he have been able to outrun Vasala over the last lap? Ryun ran 1:45.2 at the US trials on July 1.

1. David Wottle 1:44.3

2. Rick Wohlhuter 1:45.0

3. Ken Swenson 1:45.1

4. Jim Ryun 1:45.2

Wottle had the fastest 800 meters that year, but he developed tendonitis in his knees soon after the trials. So his training was mostly limited to jogging in the weeks before the Olympics. Also, he was at the end of a long NCAA season and might have been unable to hold his peak form. Had it not been for these handicaps, Wottle might have been matching Vasala stride for stride.

SO, what's your damn point anyway?

Are you here just to bash Jack Daniels? Are you trying to prove that you can coach better than him? If so, post your real name, who you have coached and let us readers decide.

SO, what's your damn point anyway?

Are you here just to bash Jack Daniels? Are you trying to prove that you can coach better than him? If so, post your real name, who you have coached and let us readers decide.[/quote]

Sean Nunn makes some good points; the area hs teams that try to use the Jack Daniel book to train by, often get obsessed with the heart rate monitors and fail to train correctly. Not Daniels faults, but when anyone gets away from the "art" of coaching and think that they can just follow a book and that book is the only way to train, then they will probably fail!!!! (and yes I have coached many state champs and teams and successful post hs athletes)

Haji wrote:

SO, what's your damn point anyway?

Are you here just to bash Jack Daniels? Are you trying to prove that you can coach better than him? If so, post your real name, who you have coached and let us readers decide.

It always amazes me how irrational some of you can be. Any fan of Jim Ryun naturally has to wonder why he failed to improve after he was 20 years old. Was it the coaching?

I'm not "here just to bash Jack Daniels" or to prove anything at all. I'm just wondering what it was that prevented Ryun from improving past the age of 20. Jack said that Timmons's workouts were exactly what Ryun needed. OK, so if it wasn't the coaching, what are the other possibilities?

Ryun stopped enjoying the sport?

Isn't that what happens to most young runners? You feel torn in two by your desire to compete at your best and your desire to actually get out there and party with your freinds.

maybe wrote:

Ryun stopped enjoying the sport?

Isn't that what happens to most young runners? You feel torn in two by your desire to compete at your best and your desire to actually get out there and party with your freinds.

You make some excellent points. I think Ryun got tired of intense training without having sufficient breaks, whether on a weekly basis or within a longer training cycle. That would certainly lead to burn out. (He did come down with mono in 1968.) He also got married, which likely affected his priorities.

Hey LTP, In response to your original question (which you keep asking), Jack posted this response, which i think explains quite a lot, especially if you have a wife and children. I wonder if you read it?

jtupper wrote:

Jim took a year off of running during that time, gained 25 pounds, got married, had first daughter and I admit that I do not know much about what his training was in those years. I did test him quite a few times (resulted in a publication documenting his return to fitness after that long break), and I can assure you he was as fit going into Munich as he was in 1968, but we shall never know what the results may have been in those 72 Games.

I've already addressed that. But here he we go again. Saying that Ryun was as fit going into Munich as he was in 1968 misses the point of my question, which is: Why did he start going downhill after 1967? Ryun was an outstanding miler in 1968, but he wasn't as dominant as he had been in the previous two years. He also dropped out of the 800 meters in the 1968 Olympic trials, which suggests that he wasn't as fit as when he set the world record in the half mile in 1966. In 1969, which was his senior year in college, Jim was struggling to stay ahead of competition that he would have annihilated at the age of 19.

Jim took a year off in 1970. (He actually got married in 1969.) The year off from running didn't cause his racing to suffer. It was a response to the way he had been racing. As another poster said, Ryun wasn't having fun. When Ryun returned to competition in 1971, he would run well one week and then poorly the next. This pattern continued throughout 1972.

Some of that variation may have been due to his move to Eugene, Oregon, where he suffered from allergies. But he soon moved to Santa Barbara, where that wasn't a problem. On the other hand, moving his family from Lawrence to Eugene to Santa Barbara in the space of one year was likely very draining. But that was in 1971. The fact that the erratic performances continued into 1972 suggests that there was something else going on besides asthma.

By the way, I want to correct an error I made earlier. Ryun won the NCAA indoor mile championships in 1969. I mistakenly said that Liquori beat him. Liquori finished second in that race.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Liquori

Haji wrote:

SO, what's your damn point anyway?

Are you here just to bash Jack Daniels? Are you trying to prove that you can coach better than him? If so, post your real name, who you have coached and let us readers decide.

Hey "Haji," are you Ahmed Haji? Is this you in the photograph?