Paula - "Training in Albuquerque"

She must be the most tested athlete in the UK and i'm sure they track her down and test when she's in the USA or France. Or I guess all you haters think it's all covered up by the powers that be?

Thanks, Specs and Logs and PB and Mayo. Notakicker, no help--just the same old rehash. But how is the number of those "proven" dopers with even the most tenuous of Albuquerque connections disproportionate to anywhere else? Is there anywhere else that gets such a diverse and high concentration of elites? Wouldn't the list of those clean elites who have trained or train in Alb be real, real long? And if you think everyone dopes, then Alb isn't the problem, right? Or maybe Alb is simply a great place to train, whether you dope or not. The more I consider it, the more illogical it seems that these world class athletes would go to Alb simply to further their drug regimen. Isn't it more like some doping and some clean elites find Alb a good place to train? I guess my question is still "Why is Alb considered to be a "drug haven?"" And I don't know why this bugs me so much.

I'll be in albuquerque in the spring. it's a sprawling city. Without using a car and without running 20 miles rt, can you get into some nice mountainous trails, from central nm? what are some of the best runs/trails around the city?

Leirbag wrote:

Radcliffe has been rumored to be on HGH for over 5 years now... get over it, the sport is dirty. The woman wears OxySocks and a nose strip, trains at altitude, sleeps in a tent, eats ostrich meat, takes god-knows how many supplements... all performance enhancing to the purist.

No she hasn't been rumored to be on HGH for over 5 years. That's pure bullshit. Neither does she sleep in a tent.

leirbag, YOU get over it, some people are just more willing to do the work than others.

In case anybody is wondering, Matt Gonzales is not exactly clean either.

jonesy wrote:

I'll be in albuquerque in the spring. it's a sprawling city. Without using a car and without running 20 miles rt, can you get into some nice mountainous trails, from central nm? what are some of the best runs/trails around the city?

If you stay in the middle of the city, you are going to have a hard time getting to the good trails. There are a bunch of apartments near Tramway and Academy that are less than a quarter mile to some trails. Otherwise, you are looking a fun few mile climb on the roads to get to the trails.

What, Matt Gonzales is dirty? I don't think so!

There is a website regarding elites training in Albuquerque, the surprising thing was that a significant number of the elites listed and who were quoted giving Duke City props were or had recently been busted for PEDS. Then they generically mentioned Turkish athletes - doing a little search reveals the female 1500m runner for Turkey - busted ... and on and on.

I challenge people to research and find similar number of PED busts for people who choose to train in Flagstaff, Boulder, or Eugene.

I think for many, it seems odd that the training facilities that the Brits use are fine for everyone else, but Ms Radcliffe and of all places she would choose Duke City, which seems to have a disproportionate share of elites who have been busted.

Occasionally, innocents get caught in the net, but more often than not the speculation on here about individuals mosts often turns out to be true. It seems that the rumors and speculation follow certain people and then it is no surprise to the not so naive that these individuals are busted. Regina Jacobs for instance - for years, it seemed that she was always getting sick, injured, etc. just in time to miss "the big dance" - but kept running phenomenal times. Many called me a jealous hater, but I knew that something was amiss - then she gets nailed ... and now everyone will chime in that they knew it all along ... that is 20/20 hindsight.

tks, fartleked, that's what i suspected. may have to use the car to get to runs. i'll be sure to look for evidence of drug paraphernalia along the trails.

UKA use Potchestroom in South Africa which is at 1400m - too low. The other option was a new venue in SA, which has not been tried before, does not have a track, tried and tested running , health provision etc. etc Radcliffe went to Boulder , crap weather and Flagstaff,if I recall she said it was the biggest snowfall on record . Mammoth has masses of snow. Not exactly lots of options.

Little Debbie Snack Cakes wrote:

Occasionally, innocents get caught in the net, but more often than not the speculation on here about individuals mosts often turns out to be true.

Hogwash. There's speculation about every single elite athlete on these boards, you're chosing to remember only those who have been caught. There has quite obviously also been plenty of rampant speculation about entirely clean athletes.

When will pople realise that phenomenal training goes hand in hand with drugs, drug takers train harder because they can, there are plenty of people out there prepared to do the work but their bodies do't allow them to. As for HGH there is no test for it, full stop.

US of A wrote:

When will pople realise that phenomenal training goes hand in hand with drugs, drug takers train harder because they can, there are plenty of people out there prepared to do the work but their bodies do't allow them to. As for HGH there is no test for it, full stop.

Which drugs did you take in your elite training?

Wake up, in any form of business where millions of dollars are changing hands people cheat and cut corners and try and get the upper hand. Don't be stupid enough to think that Athletics is any different

As I said, what drugs did you take in your elite career?

That's a mistake about Bouabdallah Tahri ('Bob'). Bob never took drugs and his name should never been cited there. He has been tested more times than you have had hot dinners, and I have spoken to him and he has told me on the Koran and his mother's head that he has never used prohibited products - he told me in French 'wa'allah' sur la tete de ma mere!' and when a muslim says that, chances are good that he is telling the truth, inshallah, mashallah!

Ghost in Korea

Great point, why don't we just take everybody at his word?

What a load of crap - all of it! Moroccans - predominantly Muslims - are some of the most egregious cheaters out there! I like all of this crap about - "I talked to this guy - he would never cheat, he was nice to me, she had dinner at our house - she would never cheat" - BS!!... and Senator Larry Craig isn't gay! He said so, right in front of his wife on national TV! That nonsense with previous rumors about Sen. Craig being gay, was nothing but idle speculation and rumor - obviously, he was set up by over zealous cops in the airport - he would never be caught trolling for gay sex in the airport! He was even pushing for anti-gay legislation! Neither was pastor Ted Haggard, he wasn't gay either - despite taking it up the can by Mike Jones, gay escort, while the good pastor was high on meth. Pastors can't be gay - because gays are going to hell!

ghost wrote:

That's a mistake about Bouabdallah Tahri ('Bob'). Bob never took drugs and his name should never been cited there. He has been tested more times than you have had hot dinners, and I have spoken to him and he has told me on the Koran and his mother's head that he has never used prohibited products - he told me in French 'wa'allah' sur la tete de ma mere!' and when a muslim says that, chances are good that he is telling the truth, inshallah, mashallah!

Ghost in Korea

"I am not a homosexual"

convinced by words? wrote:

Great point, why don't we just take everybody at his word?