Lebron James = Human Garbage

"Oh no! An employee of one private company based in my city supports the competitor of another private company from my city! And he flaunts flagrantly! By wearing a baseball cap! Classless! Unprofessional!"

Are you really as stupid as you sound? We are talking about two different cities. We are talking about a sports icon who I'm guessing has never made a big deal out of being a Yankees fan before, and I doubt he's been wearing their gear all year. But now, suddenly, he is their most ardent supporter and he just can't refuse letting the entire world know about it. Classless.

Sagarin wrote:

Uhhh, dipshit, did I not say that he can root for whoever he wants, but that doesn't mean he has to flaunt it flagrantly? Call it what you want. Maybe it's not illegal or immoral, but it sure as hell is CLASSLESS. And classless is another synonym for unprofessional.

Uhhh, dipshit, when he is attending a BASEBALL game, he is a baseball FAN, like any other. He is not "flaunting" anything more than any other fan wearing a cap. It is no more classless than all the rest of the fans there. Just because he is Lebron James doesn't change that. He isn't working while attending that game, he's cheering.

You must be a Yankees fan.

Guess again, moron.

He wore a baseball cap to a baseball game.

Read that really slowly and then try to remember why you are so upset about it. With all of the horrible things happening in the world, I fail to see why this is a big deal.

We are not talking about two different cities. We are talking about two different private companies based in different cities. A professional sports franchise is not a city.

Thats your definition of classless? You must be so entertainment centric that you actually seem hurt or affected by Lebron wearing a yankee cap. Its a GAME, entertainment, wearting that cap should not represent so much to you unless your under 14 years of age. Do you still have a Yankee/Indians bedspread? or Lampshade?

Yes, clearly you are that stupid. You yourself used the example of two private competitors in the SAME city, and I pointed out how that was a useless analogy.

No, it's not a big deal and no I am not upset (I couldn't care less about either team), but Lebron is not just SOME fan as the other idiot tries to make him out to be to support his contention. Lebron is an icon, a symbol for Cleveland, and not just a sports symbol but a PR machine for the city and the subsequent impact of the success of the sports franchise on the local economy. As such, he is held to a higher standard like any public figure.

I doubt anyone within the city would really care if he truly was a Yankees fan, as long as he's not rubbing it in their faces. You will not catch Alan Iverson, gangsta that he is, wearing a Phillies cap at the Rockies-Phils game tomorrow, despite cultivating his career in Philadelphia. In fact, he has been seen wearing Rockies gear, and I highly doubt he has been a lifelong fan, because he understands the importance of it to the city. LeBron is inarguably classless.

Sagarin wrote:

No, it's not a big deal

Ding ding ding! There's the answer but you don't even seem to realize it.

Guess what? It's not a big deal to most of the people in Cleveland either. You know why? Because most of them are actually grownups. They understand that there are people in the world who (gasp!) don't cheer for their Cleveland teams and it's OK. It's not doing anything except showing support for their favorite team.

You see, my emotionally challenged friend, even "icons" are people too. They are allowed to have lives and likes and dislikes and those do not always have to coincide with what those of the most immature fants. Grownups actually understand this stuff. One day you will too.

. LeBron is inarguably classless.

Lebron is just fine. You are inarguably a child.

Sagarin wrote:

Yes, clearly you are that stupid. You yourself used the example of two private competitors in the SAME city, and I pointed out how that was a useless analogy.

What I actually wrote was "Oh no! An employee of one private company based in my city supports the competitor of another private company from my city."

Since that sentence is apparently too long for you, let me make this very simple. Person "A" works for Company X in Cleveland. He supports Company Y, a rival of Company Z, which is also based in Cleveland.

Sagarin wrote:

Lebron is an icon, a symbol for Cleveland

This is the flaw underlying your whole argument. An "icon"? A "symbol for Cleveland"? Where on earth do you get such ridiculous ideas? He is an overpaid employee of a private company (which happens to be based in Cleveland) in the entertainment industry.

Ooooh, wow, such a clever retort, and framed so nicely for effect. Oh, and the condescension; well, clearly you are the litmus test who determines what everyone should strive for in life. Yes, it is merely a game, and yes, LeBron is merely a human being. But he is an utterly classless one. I mean, what defines "class" anyway. Isn't it classeless not to shake the hands of the opposing players after a game or classless not to open the door for a lady or classless not to take your hat off during the national anthem? But hell, why do any of those things? After all, we are just all human beings and none of those things are illegal or even immoral. Life is just a game. And who really gives a shit anyway in this PC world we live in. Just do whatever you want, because it's only a game and you are only a franchise player in name, only too willing to sign your $100 million contract but make no real commitment to the city. LeBron may has well have been wearing a shirt with a middle finger above a Cleveland logo. He's a punk, who I doubt even genuinely roots for the Yankees. Has he ever even gone to one of their games?

LB Upper wrote:

if he has been a fan of the yankees his whole life why change? Is he not allowed to have a life outside of the sport that he plays? Does he have to support Cleveland in everything they do?

Good for him for standing by what he has always liked, and not bending for the Indians.

This is the correct response.

Sagarin wrote:

LeBron may has well have been wearing a shirt with a middle finger above a Cleveland logo.

I guess I have to repeat a very simple point to you again. The Indians are not Cleveland. They are a baseball team. And what is the city of Cleveland's logo, anyway?

(Besides, supporting one team is not the same thing as "giving the finger" to another team.)

Sagarin wrote:

For the record I hate bandwagon fans like that. The only reason to be a Yankee fan is if you are from NY or the surrounding area.

Ha! Most ridiculous post of the year.

Anyone who has a problem w/ LJ wearing a hat needs to get some perspective and most likely a life.

As another poster stated earlier this week:

"This thread is like watching a bunch of monkeys at the zoo throw shit at each other."

We simply disagree. Flagpole Willy offered a fair acknowledgement that I wouldn't disagree with, but where we differ is that is simply not polite to flaunt your bias in the faces of the home fans in a game of that magnitude. You want to wear Yankees gear around the streets of Cleveland outside of the game, then fine. Who cares? But, despite what the other imbecile thinks, I would bet that many more Indians fans than not were upset by LeBron's classless move. We'll see if he's wearing Yankees gear tonight. Being a genuine fan of a team is far different then ostentatiously displaying it in your own town in a game that, despite what any of you say, does carry meaning for the city. He should know better.

Peter Gammons said it best, Lebron is just looking for attention. He is immature for doing this but he is not "human garbage". If the worst thing Lebron ever does is wear a Yankees hat in Cleavland I'm fine with that. When he starts beating his wife or rolling with gangsters, that's when we need to start talking about his charachter.

Well if anything shows that you are "not upset" about it at all, it must be this. Undoubtedly.

Really kiddo, I promise: When you grow up you will realize how ridiculous your thoughts are on this subject and will have a good laugh about it.

you are not reading closely wrote:

Well if anything shows that you are "not upset" about it at all, it must be this. Undoubtedly.

Really kiddo, I promise: When you grow up you will realize how ridiculous your thoughts are on this subject and will have a good laugh about it.

Interesting and quite ironic that a guy who keeps reiterating that it's no big deal and nothing to get upset about, while hurling insults about being emotionally challenged and childish absolutely cannot resist getting yet another retort in to make his point. Wouldn't someone who really didn't care at all act like that grown up standard that he holds everyone else to? Talk about amusing. How long before he must post yet again, perhaps under another moniker?

I actually give Lebron props for wearing a Yankees hat.

If I was all the sudden given amazing basketball ability and got to play for the Chicago Bulls, you can sure as hell bet I'm showing up to Cub's games with a Cardinal's hat on.

I'm reminded of Tom Hanks during the '04 World Series when he was wearing a Red Sox hat and he was interviewed. It was clear that he didn't give a care who won, and had never been a fan of either team (which is just fine) but it was better for his image to appear to cheer for the Red Sox--so he did.

Especially with cheering for a sport's team, who cares about image or what you're "supposed" to do....cheer for who you like.

Sagarin wrote:

We simply disagree. Flagpole Willy offered a fair acknowledgement that I wouldn't disagree with, but where we differ is that is simply not polite to flaunt your bias in the faces of the home fans in a game of that magnitude. You want to wear Yankees gear around the streets of Cleveland outside of the game, then fine. Who cares? But, despite what the other imbecile thinks, I would bet that many more Indians fans than not were upset by LeBron's classless move. We'll see if he's wearing Yankees gear tonight. Being a genuine fan of a team is far different then ostentatiously displaying it in your own town in a game that, despite what any of you say, does carry meaning for the city. He should know better.

Perhaps you have more insight than me...how are you so certain he does not genuinely like the Yankees? Why is it automatically assumed that just drawing attention? If it is just to draw attention, maybe it is immature, but I think he is only 22 years old.