Once and for all: did Lagat use EPO?

If you wait long enough ( until the very last day before you have to test the B sample)-as he did, the sample can decompose over time. Add to this that the level to fail a B test is higher than that to fail an A test - hey presto.

As has Webb, Teg, Mottram, Geb, Bekele, Ritz, and all of your other heroes.

Somebody should let Lagat know that his guilt/innocence is being decided once and for all here.

Yawn.

the fake eddy H wrote:

I realize that he was not suspended due to the negative "B" sample, but I'm still unclear as to how the situation unfolded. I guess I just don't understand how someone who is clean can test positive in even one of his samples. Anyone with knowledge on the testing process care to explain?

Lagat seems like a class act. The testing situation from a few years ago still strikes me as slightly suspicious.

And what YOU think means what exactly?

I will tell you...

1)JACK

and

2)SHIT.

Guess you didn't read the report.

Chicano wrote:

the fake eddy H wrote:

I realize that he was not suspended due to the negative "B" sample, but I'm still unclear as to how the situation unfolded. I guess I just don't understand how someone who is clean can test positive in even one of his samples. Anyone with knowledge on the testing process care to explain?

Lagat seems like a class act. The testing situation from a few years ago still strikes me as slightly suspicious.

And what YOU think means what exactly?

I will tell you...

1)JACK

and

2)SHIT.

zing! Good one, dude. The fact remains: Lagat did in fact test positive for EPO. As the OP stated- how does someone who is clean test positive for EPO?

oh snap wrote:

zing! Good one, dude. The fact remains: Lagat did in fact test positive for EPO. As the OP stated- how does someone who is clean test positive for EPO?

Do you even know how the test works?

I was searching and found out that Letsrun.com told Lagat's coach about the positive:

http://www.letsrun.com/2003/lagatepo.php

I didn't remember that at all.

I think the OP does not know how the test works and that is why he asked...

the fake eddy H wrote:

I realize that he was not suspended due to the negative "B" sample, but I'm still unclear as to how the situation unfolded. I guess I just don't understand how someone who is clean can test positive in even one of his samples. Anyone with knowledge on the testing process care to explain?

Lagat seems like a class act. The testing situation from a few years ago still strikes me as slightly suspicious.

i'll bet everyone employed as a lab technician never makes a mistake. they are perfect employees, right?

when he was kenyan, all of you would have hung him at the stake. i think its funny that now that he is american (yes, he IS american) that you are all believing him..

op cannot comprehend a world in which things are complicated, human error exists and tests are imperfect. well this is the world you live in...as one who does genetics research i can tell you that no test is perfect and for every test there are ALWAYS false positives. though rare, even highly sensitive AIDS tests can give false positives (about 1/10000), as a friend of mine found out. the epo test is not even close to the level of specificity of AIDS testing. a B sample exists for the purposes of verification. it is a little naive to say that a B test would be used if it were too old. i am not saying he was or wasn't on epo, but we must realize that always and forever there will be false positives AND false negatives, but these will be isolated and almost never happen to the same athlete twice, given sheer odds.

don't assume i am an american. got it?

dafa wrote:

when he was kenyan, all of you would have hung him at the stake.

actually we probably would have burned him at the stake.

No, hung him and then burned him at the stake.

Yes!

Now, once and for all: will you drop the subject?

maybe we would have just burned his steak.

oh god that was awful.

What actually happened with the B sample. Did it test positive? I remember something about the sample integrity being questioned due to its storage etc. Of course, drugs decompose they don't recompose due to storage conditions.