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16 years ago 09/02/2007 1:25am EDT

re: mobile9

mobile9 wrote:You understand that Tyson's 9.84 into a -0.5mps wind is intrinsically better than any of Asafa's 9.77 WRs (all with +1.5mps or more, I believe)?

I don't know which is the better intrinsic effort, but I've noticed that Gay always runs his fastest times in a headwind. Here are the fastest times ever run into a headwind:

7 9.82 -0.2 Maurice Greene USA 23.07.74 1 Edmonton 05.08.2001

8 9.84 -0.5 Tyson Gay USA 09.09.82 1 Indianapolis 22.06.2007

13 9.85 -0.5 Tyson Gay USA 09.09.82 1 Osaka 26.08.2007

21 9.86 -0.4 Frank Fredericks NAM 02.10.67 1r1 Lausanne 03.07.1996

21 9.86 -0.4 Ato Boldon TRI 30.12.73 1 AthÃnai 17.06.1998

21 9.86 -0.2 Maurice Greene USA 23.07.74 1r1 Berlin 01.09.2000

21 9.86 -0.5 Asafa Powell JAM 23.11.82 1 Berlin 03.09.2006

Atkins' 9.91 into a 0.5 m/s headwind is actually the third-fastest time ever for a headwind that strong.

For those who think that Gay can't break Powell's record, remember that he ran a 9.76 into a 2.2 m/s headwind in June. I think he's a threat to set a world record every time he runs with a tailwind.

16 years ago 09/02/2007 1:27am EDT

re: mobile9

Speculative. For all we know, 43.45 in a 1.7 is "intrinsically" better than 43.18 in calm conditions (admittedly no data on the latter).

mobile9 wrote:
You understand that Tyson's 9.84 into a -0.5mps wind is intrinsically better than any of Asafa's 9.77 WRs (all with +1.5mps or more, I believe)?

16 years ago 09/02/2007 1:57am EDT

re: Gone Daddy Gone, Love is Gone

not exactly. i've read on the t&f forum about how the 'basic' times are calculated, and there is a consistent basis for it. in a 400 the athletes are going at too many different angles to properly calculate the effect of the wind. and tyson isn't .70 from the record, it's .07

if he gets a good race (as in ideal conditions for once for him) the record is gone.

it's hard to look at wariner now and not think that he'll take the wr down sooner than later. he's a machine.

16 years ago 09/02/2007 2:16am EDT

re: Gone Daddy Gone, Love is Gone

Gone Daddy Gone, Love is Gone wrote:
I don't trust you, because you are wrong. Gay is 0.70 seconds off of Powell's record, which as a percentage is 6.8% slower. Wariner is .27 seconds off of Johnson, or 6.2% slower. Wariner is definitely closer, and has only run the 400 a handful of times this season, while Gay is tapped out. If a WR is set this season, it wil be Wariner.
Fanatic wrote:
Trust me, Gay is closer to the 100 record than anyone is to Johnson's 200 or 400 records. From 43.45 to 43.18 is a BIG gap; so is 19.62 to 19.32. Asafa Powell's 9.77 is much more reachable to Gay than the 200 or 400 record to anyone. Obviously, he is capable; he beat Powell head up. I will repeat what I said in another thread; it took Johnson 8 YEARS to go from 44.17 to 43.18. Eight years man!

I hope you realize that 3/4 of the numbers you just said were wrong.

16 years ago 09/02/2007 2:42am EDT

re: thechamelion

Whatever. The point is that Wariner is closer, whether it's 6.2% or 0.62%.

thechamelion wrote:
I hope you realize that 3/4 of the numbers you just said were wrong.

And to the guy who wrote about Gay's 9.76, it was WITH a 2.2 m/s wind, not into it.

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