KARA GOUCHER GETS BRONZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

uh... wrote:

Dashen wrote:

if a kenyan won a bronze medal.. nobody would f***ing care..

DUDE.. its a freaking bronze medal... do you remember the bronze medalists from 95 or 99.. NOPE!

When was the last time an AMERICAN won a "freaking bronze medal????"

2004 Olympic marathon. We picked up a silver in that one, too.

You have no idea who these athletes are. This isn't baseball. Go to Eldoret or to Addis Ababa. I dare you to buy a ticket and see the enormous wealth of talent that exists.

The always-injured Dave Moorcroft managed to run 13flat in 1982, and Henry Rono was doing it drunk. You think that's it? That's as far as it goes?

On what basis can you say that you need drugs to succeed? Jonathan Edwards? Bryan Clay? Colin Jackson? Just because they're better than you doesn't necessitate cheating.

32 minutes from a 31 gal? that's simply good prep and smart racing in the heat. get over it.

way to go, Kara! you have a new fan

Let's see, a year without major injury, the backing of NIKE to allow physician/rehab/massage support for any niggles, coaching from someone who's "been there, done that", great variety in training and locations (Utah, altitude tents, sweat suits), a stable home environment with her marriage, an NCAA champ who was primarily a 1500/3000 runner, and a race that became a 9 km warm-up and a 1 km race, and the near-death experience of Salazar to this race a day like no other. Hmm, seems like there's a lot of factors that allowed her talent, fitness, and desire come to the top. I don't believe that drugs had to be part of it, except for the occassional Advil.

mobile9 wrote:

You have no idea who these athletes are. This isn't baseball. Go to Eldoret or to Addis Ababa. I dare you to buy a ticket and see the enormous wealth of talent that exists.

Straw man.

The always-injured Dave Moorcroft managed to run 13flat in 1982, and Henry Rono was doing it drunk. You think that's it? That's as far as it goes?

Straw man.

On what basis can you say that you need drugs to succeed? Jonathan Edwards? Bryan Clay? Colin Jackson? Just because they're better than you doesn't necessitate cheating.

Ah, the classic ad hominen attack. This crowd just can't help it. Like Jack N.'s character in "A Few Good Men" indicated, you can't handle the truth and you don't want it. You want to hold onto your fairy tales. Fine, I can't argue with those who so desperately want their heads buried in the sand.

Good. Stop posting in this thread then. Leave us our "fairy tales."

realitycheck wrote:

She hadn't worked as hard as Goucher so ended up 4th.

I thought god just didn't love her as much as Kara.

The order of god's love in the 10k:

Tirunesh- god's favorite

Elvan- god likes her

Kara- god thinks she's ok

Joanne- god knows who she is

Kimberly- god once thought she was ok

Deena- has fallen out of god's favor

the rest: god doesn't so much like them

not that simple, pollyanna wrote:

The administrators of this sport have done their part in enabling a culture of doping

In what way exactly?

The kid looks hot http://trackandfieldphoto.com/DisplayJpg.php?070825_1332_5335_RLM&next=1

i think every track chick should go and get a makeover before a race.

kara ran great, but she also looked like a million bucks with that long hair and killer abs.

not that simple, pollyanna wrote:

The administrators of this sport have done their part in enabling a culture of doping

bored board wrote:

In what way exactly?

Have you not been paying attention?

No curves = boyish

Hey hey hey pollyanna. Head in the sand, here. Shoo. I SAID SHOO.

"Thanks Doc Stray-Gundersen - couldn't have done it without you ".

The amazing aspect of all this back and forth is the speculation and unsubstantiated posting, while there is a quote by Salazar which offers some concrete material to work with:

"And he gave everyone in his group a fresh perspective. "For me, what happened two months ago was not a low,'' says Salazar. "It really was a high. It reinforced for me that this'' -- here, Salazar waved his arm at the empty track, bathed in bright, artificial light -- "is all great. And I love this game. But it really is a small part of life. It's all just a trivial pursuit, a little thing. The more you can be relaxed about it, the better you can be. Realize how lucky you are and just enjoy it. It's just racing.''

With all due respect.

Thought n. 1: what? You needed a heart-attack to figure this out?

Thought n. 2: what? Beginner runners are emulating midpackers, who are emulating pros, who are working their buns off, making all sorts of sacrifices, and NOW you tell them its "trivial pursuit?" There are going to be a lot of 18mins-and-above/5Kers and several long-time running amateurs, rightfully claiming your coaching job... Is this yet another "Hey, we have been doing it all wrong" admission?

Lets hear the whole story please.

In any case, a WC bronze medal deserves some respect unless people know real reasons to do otherwise.

Hey Victor Conte,

The more you post, the more you demonstrate a total disconnect with pro track and field, particularly in America.

But as you think I've got my head in the sand and I think that you've got your's up your ass, where are we going to go on this? You're never going to be in a position to personally know any of the people in question, and you think you have the power to single out a drug cheat on sight alone.

You're not alone in your thinking. Frank Shorter more or less arbitrarily decided some time ago that Arturo Barrios was the last clean 10000m WR holder. Nevermind that there isn't any evidence to indict Yobes Ondieki to Kenenisa, just they're much better than 1970s America performances.

Sorry your dyspathic outlook ruins a beautiful sport.

Let's just say that it's possible that I have a bit more insider knowledge (not saying I'm an insider, just that I have information from insiders) than you or most of the starry-eyed visitors to this site. Most of you make it very clear that you're uninformed. I would have to "personally know" anyone to figure out that they are not above suspicion of cheating, that's a weird suggestion. (Fact is, nobody does really know anyone, even your spouse has kept things from you.) I may be 'sadder but wiser', but it doesn't have to 'ruin' the sport unless you allow it to. I fully enjoy the sport, I just know better than to be so thoughtlessly trusting of appearances and wish the know-nothings would quit the charade of trying to dispute reality.

Kara Goucher is NOT.. i repeat NOT even close to being Bronze Medal Worthy.

Compare her times

4:05 (doesn't even register on the radar)

8:41 (533th) on the all time list.

15:08 (840th) Not comment needed

31:17 (172 all time list) Piss poor - 2006

Out of all the times the 10k is the strongest.. and in this rarely run event.. she is 172nd.. and that is modest.

Pavey on the other hand has the following

1500 4:01 4 seconds Faster - 541 on all time list

3000 8:31 10 seconds faster - 103 on all time list

5000 14:39 19 seconds faster - 63rd on all time list

10000 31:26 2007 - in horrible conditions.. first ever 10,000

Clearly Pavey is the better athlete. The better athlete did not win.. and you can _SUCK IT!

Lets not even talk about the fact that Tufa and B Johnson were both spiked .. Tufa dropped out. If Tufa had not dropped out, Goucher would have not medaled.

Every one talked about Shayne Culpepper back in 2004 when she won a bronze in the 1500 or 3000 ... and she is no where on the map now.. same with this american. wham bam thank you mom!!!

not that simple, pollyanna wrote:

The administrators of this sport have done their part in enabling a culture of doping

bored board wrote:

In what way exactly?

not that simple, pollyanna wrote:

Have you not been paying attention?

So are you just going to keep up these cryptic replies or are you actually going to try putting forward an argument? For the minute I'll just assume you don't actually have an argument.