El Guerrouj has now held the Mile WR longer than any sub-4...?

Noah was hit by a car, and since retired from track and field. Shame.

The Stats Man wrote:

1500m top ranked performer in world

year - 1st - 10th - 20th

1999 - 3.27.65 - 3.31.60 - 3.33.44

2000 - 3.27.21 - 3.32.01 - 3.33.59

2001 - 3.26.12 - 3.31.49 - 3.33.03

2002 - 3.26.89 - 3.32.37 - 3.34.17

2003 - 3.28.40 - 3.31.61 - 3.34.07

2004 - 3.27.40 - 3.31.10 - 3.32.81

2005 - 3.29.30 - 3.31.98 - 3.33.68

2006 - 3.29.02 - 3.31.85 - 3.33.08

2007 - 3.30.54 - 3.31.89 - 3.33.85

hmmmm. Maybe that just means we don't currently have any genetic freaks like El G or Ngeny in their primes right now.

He is in the same situation with the 1500m world record, if I'm not mistaken (and the 1500m is run far more often than the mile).

for those who say that the top athletes don't dope think about this EPO alone can give an athlete a 10-20% advantage over someone not using it (hematocrite levels are normally low 40's and you can get to 50 without getting caught). Combined with Steroids (Noramal 1:1 ration can get them to 6:1 before getting caught), HGH don't think they have a test yet, etc... your looking at a pretty big advantage over the clean athlete. My point being why doesn't some doped athlete come along beat the Africans then get suspended for PEDs? You can't say there isn't someone within reaching distance of those times not willing to risk it.

for those who say that the top athletes don't dope think about this EPO alone can give an athlete a 10-20% advantage over someone not using it (hematocrite levels are normally low 40's and you can get to 50 without getting caught). Combined with Steroids (Noramal 1:1 ration can get them to 6:1 before getting caught), HGH don't think they have a test yet, etc... your looking at a pretty big advantage over the clean athlete. My point being why doesn't some doped athlete come along beat the Africans then get suspended for PEDs? You can't say there isn't someone within reaching distance of those times not willing to risk it.

Dope Investigator wrote:

for those who say that the top athletes don't dope think about this EPO alone can give an athlete a 10-20% advantage over someone not using it (hematocrite levels are normally low 40's and you can get to 50 without getting caught). Combined with Steroids (Noramal 1:1 ration can get them to 6:1 before getting caught), HGH don't think they have a test yet, etc... your looking at a pretty big advantage over the clean athlete. My point being why doesn't some doped athlete come along beat the Africans then get suspended for PEDs? You can't say there isn't someone within reaching distance of those times not willing to risk it.

Link to this 10-20% figure? In elite athletes? So you're saying that Steve Cram (3:46.3 mile in 1986, before rhEPO was available) could have run 20% faster (a 3:01.0 mile)???

Actually, I think El G's form was flawless; at least better than Ngeny's form.

so he was 24 when he broke the record and 29-30ish when he got a gold. Dob: 9/14 1974 IN 7 years he returns to run 3:55 as a Master

Big Hawk Chief ran 3:58 in 1876, and it would not be beaten for 80 years.

Stat Man, can you make those numbers go back further? He said "the 90s" not 1999.

Thanks.

Fire-C wrote:

As of today, El Guerrouj has held the mile WR for 8 years, 1 month and 9 days (someone with more time can count up specific days). (7/7/99-8/16/07

If you had bothered to research things properly you would have found that the gap between Gunder Hagg's 4:01.3 and Roger Bannister's 3:59.4 was longer.

El Guerrouj's length of holding the record is only just superior to that of Norman Taber.

Not true sir wrote:

Fire-C wrote:

As of today, El Guerrouj has held the mile WR for 8 years, 1 month and 9 days (someone with more time can count up specific days). (7/7/99-8/16/07

If you had bothered to research things properly you would have found that the gap between Gunder Hagg's 4:01.3 and Roger Bannister's 3:59.4 was longer.

El Guerrouj's length of holding the record is only just superior to that of Norman Taber.

now if you could only read - he said sub 4 in his thread title. Perhaps you will think before criticising in future ... I very much doubt it

Just to defend the guy who didn't read the post title, to only be considering sub 4 performances is pretty arbitrary.

Especially when the brojos have misinterpretted the post also and stated on the front page that it is the longest Mile WR ever; that's more a sign of shithouse journalism by quoting something on a bulletin board without checking sources.

I worded that wrong but it gives a 10-20% increase in hematocrite level, EPO was first synthesized in 1983 and before that a blood transfusion could do the same thing.

They're both amazing, but I think Komen's record is a bit more impressive. The mile record will be broken first because it is a non-standard event and more conducive to record attempts as opposed to being regularly contested in GL meets, WC's, etc., whereas the 3,000m is often a tactical race in championship events.

I was at that race believe it or not. I was traveling around Europe after i graduated from college. It was enough just getting to experience a golden league meet in europe - but to see that was incredible. My friend who i was traveling with went to UM with Sullivan. So, we only went to the meet because he was running. Poor guy PR'd with a 3:52 and was 70-80 meters back ; )

The Stats Man wrote:

1500m top ranked performer in world

year - 1st - 10th - 20th

1999 - 3.27.65 - 3.31.60 - 3.33.44

2000 - 3.27.21 - 3.32.01 - 3.33.59

2001 - 3.26.12 - 3.31.49 - 3.33.03

2002 - 3.26.89 - 3.32.37 - 3.34.17

2003 - 3.28.40 - 3.31.61 - 3.34.07

2004 - 3.27.40 - 3.31.10 - 3.32.81

2005 - 3.29.30 - 3.31.98 - 3.33.68

2006 - 3.29.02 - 3.31.85 - 3.33.08

2007 - 3.30.54 - 3.31.89 - 3.33.85

Notice that 10th and 20th are fairly consistent throughout the years. Only the top ranking has dropped since 2004.

Not coincidentaly, that was the year when the fastest miler of all time ran his last race.

How many of those top rankings from 99 to 04 belonged to El G? I'd be surpirised if he didn't have all of them.

well, we know that in 1998 the top 1500m time was 3:26.00

that was when el g ran his wr

not a bad race wrote:

Ngeny was 20 when he ran 3:43.40 behind El Guerrouj's 3:43.13.

He had run a 3:42 1500 in 1996, 3:32 in 1997 and 3:30 in 1998. What a talent. Now just 28, he could still be competing

No, officials said he was 20. Ol' father whats-is-name said he was three or four years older than that at the time.