Seriously they suck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc3iRBXb37A&mode=related&search=
Seriously they suck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc3iRBXb37A&mode=related&search=
because if shit like that was played at clubs no one would dance to it so they alter it
It's pretty interesting- all the black people in that show are on stage.
Does anyone know why white teens love blacks so much? Is it a media thing?
Rap sucks live because it sucks, period. Beyond that, the recordings are so dependent on production tricks, not on any performer's musical ability. So when they play live....canned tapes and all..what do you expect?
1. Rap is not music, it is a bunch of engineering and production tricks. Because they are difficult to reproduce in a live environment, the end result tends to suck. Because it's not music in the first place, it should suck.
2. White teens do not love blacks or rap. Tickets for rap shows are priced far lower than tickets for musical acts. The crowd is a result of teenage boredom and insecurity.
3. Yes, it is a media trick.
Rap is all about post-production and editing. Rap live is just... rawmaterial, not finished product. Most rappers and groups are unable to make the finished product without a studio and some computers.
Carnivore 69 wrote:
1. Rap is not music, it is a bunch of engineering and production tricks. Because they are difficult to reproduce in a live environment, the end result tends to suck. Because it's not music in the first place, it should suck.
2. White teens do not love blacks or rap. Tickets for rap shows are priced far lower than tickets for musical acts. The crowd is a result of teenage boredom and insecurity.
3. Yes, it is a media trick.
1. You're being overly critical. It might be accurate to say that MOST rappers in the pop-culture scene are not really musicians; or that MOST rap you hear on the radio is just the result of engineering and production tricks. But you can't say that all rap isn't music. There are actually some good hiphop acts out there that could be called artists (Mos Def, Saul Williams, A Tribe Called Quest, all come to mind).
2. Your argument is that white teens only seem to love blacks and rap because concert tickets are cheaper???? That is completely false and a ridiculous claim. Besides, the rap CDs at the music store are priced the same as others and are mostly purchased by white kids.
3. Yes, it is a media trick. You're right.
It is just to easy to create at home.
Several software packages can do the trick
Reason 3.0
Abelton Live 6
Acid Pro 6
Project 5
It does not take a genius to create that stuff.
I have a home studio and when I here the rap stuff in the gym the beats are all so familar.
But I don't create rap.
Geezus....what a waste of a studio that would be.
I am a rap/hip hop fan. I think most of the new rappers suck live and on their albums. However, I think groups like the roots put on some of the best live shows I have ever seen/heard. As far as teens like blacks and rap, I think that is probably not accurate. There are definitely white kids who really get into the rap/hip hop culture (which is harmless) and then there are some white kids who try to be something they are not. However, I don't that represets the majority of the white teenage population.
I saw T.I. live the other day and he was pretty good in an outdoor arena with most likely terrible speakers (he played at our college for free).
Carnivore 69 wrote:
1. Rap is not music, it is a bunch of engineering and production tricks. Because they are difficult to reproduce in a live environment, the end result tends to suck. Because it's not music in the first place, it should suck.
2. White teens do not love blacks or rap. Tickets for rap shows are priced far lower than tickets for musical acts. The crowd is a result of teenage boredom and insecurity.
3. Yes, it is a media trick.
im pre-judging you to have horrible taste in music(even though YOU think its amazing), and also that you are in general a retard.
f*** anyone with nothing better to do than hate on music
This sounds like a crappy recording of the show. Not saying 50 is great in concert (the list of famous artists who suck live is not short), but it's hard to capture live sound from multiple speakers. Depends on how well they recorded it.
If your judging your entire perception on rap based on what you see on MTV and hear on the radio your an idiot for thinking you have valid justification for having an "educated" opinion on what rap is. For one if you don't even listen to rap you have no business saying "what it is". Two ever heard of The Roots? A Tribe Called Quest, Eric B & Rakim, Public Enemy etc etc.
Music (lyrical) isnt about solely instrumentals but an artform of putting rhythm and WORDS together effectively to get whatever point is your trying to make across to your audience. Rappers do this best obviously seeing they have the most influence, so based on that you could say there better musicians than your favorite garage band considering they are more succesful at putting the two together. That doesnt make their music good or quality though.
Also you know nothing about hip hop culture. Rap isnt about grabbing a guitar and strumming strings, its about expressing one's environment as one sees fit. You act as if rappers are the source of all that is wrong in America's environment but in reality they are a RESULT of the American environment. A lot of rappers now and days arent too great, lyrically they are poor and most use generic beats and sounds but if you had done your homework, you would see artists such as Nas, incorporated actual bass, percussion and other instruments into his first album, that were recorded live in the studio, to which he than wrote his lyrics to and performed. His first album is considered one of the most poetic, realis albums of all time, of all genres. Lines such as "I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death/Through the walls of intelligence, life is defined/I think of crime, when im in the New York State of Mind" - This particular song was seen as sort of a rebuttle to Billy Joel's "New York State of Mind" as many stated that it was Nas expressing his views are vastly different and so is his state of mind, all due to the environment he was raised in.
I can go on and on, but you would have to be a moron and dare I say it, racist to condemn rap because there are just as many sad ass white rock acts that are just as bad if not worse. "Fight the Power" by Public Enemy, "Dear Mama" by Tupac, "N.Y. State of Mind" by Nas, A Tribe Called Quests' album "The Low End Theory", "Everyday Struggle" & "Juicy" by The Notorious B.I.G., Ice Cube's highly acclaimed intense political album "Amerikkka's Most Wanted", Jay-Z's critically acclaimed by Rolling Stone Magazine as a highly charismatic, dark and poetic album "Reasonable Doubt", Main Source's "Breaking Atoms" album, Fugees' "The Score" album, Dead Prez's album "Let's Get Free", Scarface's album "The Diary" and the list goes on and on of albums and songs that leave your previous uneducated assumptions defunct. Instead of using all this energy to talk trash, go and get a hold, download, buy whatever you need to do to take time out of your life that you feel is in so much higher prestige to an entire culture and really listen to these songs and albums. You look up anything on these songs/albums and 99% of what you read about them will be in high acclaim (of course you have assholes like you who throw in a low-blow).
Also for your information you goto
and if you look up reviews for albums, a lot of them are rated pretty low and most are deemed as "average". The person who runs and manages the site is a highly knowledgable in not just hip-hop but music in general. If you look up the review for Rich Boy's album "Rich Boy", its ranked extremely low and critisized highly as a poor album despite it being a huge mainstream success. The Hip-Hop community judges their artists/musicians a lot more harshley than most people realize.
And for the record I've never bought a 50 Cent album, and I listen to Rock a lot more than I do Rap.
UGGGHHHHH!!!!
hatehimtoo wrote:
I saw T.I. live the other day and he was pretty good in an outdoor arena with most likely terrible speakers (he played at our college for free).
are you talking about sungod festival at ucsd?
You would be wrong twice.
$.50 is laughing all the way to the bank. Masses of white teenagers buying the crap..ugh. Hey, $.50 made $400,000,000 last week on a stock deal.
Yes, I will go so far as to say that the "rap is not music" crowd is racist.
Rap and hip-hop are dominated in pop culture by untalented acts, to a larger extent than most other genres of music. That doesn't meant that there isn't some great music out there.
The terrible, untalented rappers tend to be more heavily aided by production tricks and album guests, which inherently hurts a live show. But I've seen some incredible live hip-hop shows, such as Blackaliciuos, The Roots, Black Star, The Coup, Wyclef Jean, K'Naan, Pigeon John, The Pharcyde, and a great International Hip-Hop festival of performers from around the world at Trinity College in Hartford. Notably, The Coup, The Roots, K'Naan, and Wyclef all have live bands. You want to see an example of good live hip-hop, check out:
This clip from Bay Area group The Coup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0svkhZ46Eo
Or this clip from Somalian-Canadian rapper K'Naan: