Josh McDougal is the man - Sick 5k/10k double 22:57 apart

rojo,

you recommend the amount of racing mcdougal does? jk appoves of this? i think he and his coaches/advisors have made mistakes throughout his time at liberty.

err, this is a nothing special result. Any of our good 10k/5k guys could do that no problem. I fail to see what all the fuss is about. Its a solid double. Nothing more.

malmo may remember this but what did Tommy Fulton do back around '73/'74 when he won everything from 1500m to 10k in his conference meet? That was a superman performance.

....Exactly. Well put tick tock

Josh is a good runner and a good person. Way to go Josh.

Golden West wrote:

mallard wrote:

Why is he running the 10,000 the 5,000 and the 1,500 in two days, at this point? Isn't that stupidity?

Why is that stupidity?

It's stupid for many reasons-

1) During indoor, he hammered the ic4a 5k, and then ran shitty at nationals. Think there's any chance doing this might affect his race in Sacremento? Maybe, maybe not, but three races, including a 10k, in 24 hours is not usually a recipe for better racing down the road. Admittedly, you could argue the times were slow enought that it was a 'workout' for him, but McDougal has shown time and again he can run fast early in the season, but gets smoked at the end of the season.

2) Some may argue that he's doing it for the team win. While that may be true, it's still stupid because no one cares about the IC4A anymore...in the team sense, it's antiquated. It's a great meet for individual performance, but winning the team ic4a title means nothing, because it does not represent any group or region of colleges...it's just whoever decides to show up.

distance pirate wrote:

It's stupid for many reasons-

Your perspective is cloudy. What McDougal ran yesterday was a little faster than tempo pace for a 13:20 runner - with a 20 minute break thrown in the middle. It's a workout.

The day training runs become stupid is the day Josh Mcdougal ends up giving his ignorant opinions on Letsrun.

tick tock wrote:

and one wonders why the rest of the world thinks that the college system burns out our top talents?

Name someone from "the rest of the world" who says that? Just one person please?

There's nothing "sick" about his performance. It was a good workout.

It would've been way more impressive he ran one 5000 in 13:15 then the double. I'm sure he will do that one day.

I think it was more than a workout, well maybe a very very hard workout, a workout would have been 5-6 x 1mile at that pace not 15k, now he is running the 1500m today, come on malmo even you have to believe this is over the top, I don't see any other elite college runners trying to pull off this amount of racing on a weekend, they is no way this guy can recover with all the racing he has done in the past 5-6 weeks, his coaches need to get there heads out of there asses and stop destroying a very talented runner.

what an idiot. he must not want to do well at nats. just look at how he did in indoors. everyone was creaming themselves with his fast 5k the week before nats or whatever, and then he wasnt even in the race at nats. nats is more important than conference, especially for him since his team sucks anyways.

oasis wrote:

...I don't see any other elite college runners trying to pull off this amount of racing on a weekend, they is no way this guy can recover with all the racing he has done in the past 5-6 weeks

You keep using the word "racing," as if a guy entering multiple races and running is more detrimental to running multiple intervals (or high volume) in training--all done at the same pace/effort. Running is running.

Yes, McDougal was technically in a race. But the pace in which McDougal won both races qualified as workout pace for him.

It was also incredibly warm and a very high humidity. The kid ran awesome in a championship event.

Hey all.

I'm trying to think of a creative way to slam McDougal for making dumb decisions, to dismiss his performance as not impressive or to state how poorly he's going to run in the future.

Unfortunately, all the original ways seem to have been taken up already in this thread. I am fresh out of new ways to put a negative spin on this. Can someone help me out here and suggest a new avenue of criticism?

Thanks

Not sure we've gone down the religion route yet.

criticizer wrote:

Hey all.

I'm trying to think of a creative way to slam McDougal for making dumb decisions, to dismiss his performance as not impressive or to state how poorly he's going to run in the future.

Unfortunately, all the original ways seem to have been taken up already in this thread. I am fresh out of new ways to put a negative spin on this. Can someone help me out here and suggest a new avenue of criticism?

Thanks

I seem to remember Cheseret doing this last year at the Pac-10 meet only with times of 13:47, 3:41.88, and 30:32. I don't seem to remember too many people bashing him last year (although I can't be certain). Also, 2 years ago he won the 5k and 10k in times of 13:33 and 29:16. Albeit, both years the 5 and 10 were on different days but that's still some heavy racing. I seem to remember him winning the 10k at nationals one of those years (2005?).

All I'm trying to say is that this is not that rare to double or triple at a conference meet (I know Josh's races were on the same day but it's also a weak conference).

Golden West wrote:

mallard wrote:

Why is he running the 10,000 the 5,000 and the 1,500 in two days, at this point? Isn't that stupidity?

Why is that stupidity?

Do you really have to ask why that might be considered stupid? That's an awful lot of hard running in spikes in 24 hours, even if some of it is 'a workout'.

Mr. McDougal,

If you really want to impress us, next time include the steeple in your plans. THEN I will be impressed.

malmo wrote:

What McDougal ran yesterday was a little faster than tempo pace for a 13:20 runner - with a 20 minute break thrown in the middle. It's a workout.

Exactly. The 5k run was close to his 10k pace, 23mins rest, 10k at about threshold pace. A fairly hard session, (although maybe not for him), but nothing flat out. 1500m tomorrow? that's probably a day off for him