Many records end up being relatively solo affairs. A race long battle with other competitors doesn't seem to translate to free flowing running.
Easy to find videos of Aouita, Geb, Bekele and El G essentially racing the clock well clear of the field.
Many records end up being relatively solo affairs. A race long battle with other competitors doesn't seem to translate to free flowing running.
Easy to find videos of Aouita, Geb, Bekele and El G essentially racing the clock well clear of the field.
newname wrote:
TrackCoach,
Lydiard did not coach Ron Clarke, Lasse Viren, or John Walker.
Only Walker was from NZ. Just thought you should know this.
Lydiard spent 19 months in Finland and was highly influential.
Check out "Finnish Running Secrets", a RW article by Matti Hannus, who described Viren's coach's approach as a combination of Nurmi, Igloi, Lydiard and Cerutty.
Thanks for re-iterating my point that Keino's best races came at altitude. Time-wise his altitude races at least MATCHED his sea-level times. For Vento to say Keino was on the decline after 1968 is rubbish. Keino was a world-leading miler 1969 thru 1972. Plenty of opportunities in those years to run close to his 3:34.9 from Mexico City.
So what does Vento think Herb Elliot was capable of in 1960? A raked smooth cinders track and/or a meticulously manicured grass track (just ask Snell) is just as fast as the Mexico City track.
mr. obvious wrote:
He also frequently complains to moderators and has posts removed when they challenge him or point out his flawed predictions.
And he's done it again on this thread.
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Using the evidence from Kiplagat's performances, it would appear that the NCAA conversion tables are pretty useless and are to be used as a guide to sea level born and based runners. Even then, they are way too generous for elites.
Umm, ever heard of Cristian Soratos?
ISBN - I think you'll find Nairobi is not uniformly 5,889 feet in altitude. I doubt many 220 square mile areas are.
For instance, the roundabout at the intersection at the A104 and Haile Selaissie Avenue is at 5,458 feet, while the main runway at the airport is at 5,342 feet.
Just sayin'
utter driivel
he broke jazy's ole wr by 0.2s
he jogged around dead fuucking last at start
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=h4va2_x6tMwrubbish
if not for incomparable Ryun at just 19y, keino wouda been 1 mie wr holder off a jog !!!
nonsense
keino wanted to quit after '68
he hardly ran in '69, hoping to announce retirement
he was "forced back" to run with no more training camps for '70, but still in likely 3'31+ shape at decrepit
clueless
he effectively retired after '68
he ran some '69 in "retirement"
he wanted to retire after '68
utter rubbish
never in same shape again
offer 3'34.9-mexico at sea-level on some noteworty calculations
lotta wide running on a dirt track, after rounds
easily
~ 3'30
but herb was no keino, let alone Ryun
utter fuucking drivel
snell never ran on a synthetic track, let alone mexico
Wow! If Keino was in 3:26 shape at the Mexico Olympics, that means the guy who beat him in the 5000m must have been in 3:25 shape. Then the two guys who beat the 5000m winner in the 10000m must have been in even better shape.
In head to head races and comparisons of win/loss performances, Keino was the 4th best distance runner at The MC Olympics.
ventolin^3 wrote:
snell never ran on a synthetic track, let alone mexico
Small point: this is false.
Take Snell's 1965 race against Ryun and Grelle in the American championship:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E-R97LShwAV3 said "never." "Never" means "not once." So his statement was wrong.
Sorry, meant to add this from Sports Illustrated's account: "Under the runners was an exceptionally fast track. Made of Grasstex, an asphalt composition material, it had been laid down in Balboa Stadium last September at a cost of $40,000."
Just to be clear: "asphalt composition" = "synthetic." But, again, it's a minor point.
lease wrote:Take Snell's 1965 race against Ryun and Grelle in the American championship:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E-R97LShwAV3 said "never." "Never" means "not once." So his statement was wrong.
it seemed an awfully long distance just to get to finish line the 1st time ?!
looks like 7s to get to it ?!
To thumb wrote:Wow! If Keino was in 3:26 shape at the Mexico Olympics, that means the guy who beat him in the 5000m must have been in 3:25 shape
yeah
who claims kennster was in 3'25 shape in 12'37 ???
i saw every circuit 1500 he ever ran, including the outrageous win over kaouch which isn't on youtube
he shouda been jailed for how wide he pushed kaouch out in home stretch
Then the two guys who beat the 5000m winner in the 10000m must have been in even better shape
same logic makes kamathi who walloped geb in '01 a 12'38/26'20 guy ?!
In head to head races and comparisons of win/loss performances, Keino was the 4th best distance runner at The MC Olympics
eh ???
who in the 5k or 10k final also got into 1500 final ???
ventolin^3 wrote:
it seemed an awfully long distance just to get to finish line the 1st time ?!
looks like 7s to get to it ?!
Not sure whether this is a troll post or not...but if you watch the video, you'll see that the race ends at the same point on the (440y) track where it started.
Quite a few mile races back then had starts/finishes in the middle of the home straight; if you watch the whole race, you'll see that the runners' finish line is only (very) roughly 50m from the end of the curve.
lease wrote:
Sorry, meant to add this from Sports Illustrated's account: "Under the runners was an exceptionally fast track. Made of Grasstex, an asphalt composition material, it had been laid down in Balboa Stadium last September at a cost of $40,000."
Just to be clear: "asphalt composition" = "synthetic." But, again, it's a minor point.
Grasstex tracks did/would not suit Snell's bulky frame. He got beaten by John Davies at the 1964 opening of the venerable Caledonian Grounds. Said synthetic tracks trashed his legs way more than cinders. Grass suited Snell more than any other surface because it absorbed his pounding legs.
After Keino's "retirement" in 1968 he won the Commonwealth Games, the 1971 Munich Pre-Olympic, plus gold & silver at Munich.....AND silver to Bayi at 1973 All African Champs. Pretty good resume for a washed-up semi-retired runner.
I am sure Rod Dixon would be bemused by Vento's description of Keino.
messi wrote:
After Keino's "retirement" in 1968 he won the Commonwealth Games, the 1971 Munich Pre-Olympic, plus gold & silver at Munich.....AND silver to Bayi at 1973 All African Champs. Pretty good resume for a washed-up semi-retired runner.
I am sure Rod Dixon would be bemused by Vento's description of Keino.
This ventolin cat seems to be bat shit crazy
Idiot Ventoin didn't realize it was a 440 yard track. Four laps exactly to the mile.