ITS TIME TO BAN GUNS FRON THE UNITED STATES

Wogten wrote:

Do you think that criminals and murderers are just going to say, "Golly gee,,, i better turn in my handgun,,, they are now ILLEGAL. I WOULDNT WANT TO BREAK THE LAW!!! Come on Eugene let's take our glocks down to the police station and hand them over."

I didn't say anything about criminals turning them in, but I assume you have difficulty reading so I'll excuse you on this one. Once they are removed from the general population, attrition will take care of the remainder over time. It has to start somewhere. But I know d*ckless trigger happy gunfreaks like you just want the excuse "well...they're already out there".

How many instances of successful use of a gun in defense did you find? 8 maybe, over a 2 year period? How does this compare with the tens of thousands of accidental deaths, suicides and murders involving guns every year?

links and stats:

http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/international.html

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/factsheets/pdf/firearm_facts.pdf

In 2004, 29,569 people in the United States died from firearm-related deaths – 11,624

(39%) of those were murdered; 16,750 (57%) were suicides; 649 (2.2%) were accidents;

and in 235 (.8%) the intent was unknown. [5] In comparison, 33,651 Americans were

killed in the Korean War and 58,193 Americans were killed in the Vietnam War.[6]

• For every firearm fatality in the United States in 2005, there were estimated to be more

than two non-fatal firearm injuries.[7]

• In 2004, firearms were used to murder 56 people in Australia, 184 people in Canada, 73

people in England and Wales, 5 people in New Zealand, and 37 people in Sweden.[8] In

comparison, firearms were used to murder 11,344 people in the United States.[9]

• In 2005, there were only 143 justifiable homicides by private citizens using handguns in

the United States.[10]

out of their hands wrote:

links and stats:

http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/international.htmlhttp://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/factsheets/pdf/firearm_facts.pdf

In 2004, 29,569 people in the United States died from firearm-related deaths – 11,624

(39%) of those were murdered; 16,750 (57%) were suicides; 649 (2.2%) were accidents;

and in 235 (.8%) the intent was unknown. [5] In comparison, 33,651 Americans were

killed in the Korean War and 58,193 Americans were killed in the Vietnam War.[6]

• For every firearm fatality in the United States in 2005, there were estimated to be more

than two non-fatal firearm injuries.[7]

• In 2004, firearms were used to murder 56 people in Australia, 184 people in Canada, 73

people in England and Wales, 5 people in New Zealand, and 37 people in Sweden.[8] In

comparison, firearms were used to murder 11,344 people in the United States.[9]

• In 2005, there were only 143 justifiable homicides by private citizens using handguns in

the United States.[10]

These statistics simply demonstrate that Americans are exceptionally stupid and violent.

Would lead pipe massacres make you feel any better? Perhaps mass stranglings?

America has a social problem, not a gun problem.

[quoteThese statistics simply demonstrate that Americans are exceptionally stupid and violent.

Would lead pipe massacres make you feel any better? Perhaps mass stranglings?

America has a social problem, not a gun problem.[/quote]

America has a social problem which is elevated by the presence of / use of guns. It's unlikely one person is going to successfully execute 30+ individuals in a school with a lead pipe. The more potent the provided weapon, the more damage that can be done.

Strawman arguments of 'you can't get rid of violent behaviour by getting rid of guns' means diddly squat, the goal is to limit potential. You may not have success stopping a person from being violent, but you sure can have an impact on what they can do with that violence.

The Navy is 90% homosexual. John McCain's sexual orientation has been determined by God and has nothing to do with his patriotism or love of country. Navy men and women are serving in the war with honor and deserve respect and recognition as do all of the men and women of the Armed Services.

out of their hands wrote:

Strawman arguments of 'you can't get rid of violent behaviour by getting rid of guns' means diddly squat, the goal is to limit potential.

This may be your goal, but it is short sighted and only addresses one symptom of a far greater problem.

The real strawman here is gun control.

Edith Massey wrote:

This may be your goal, but it is short sighted and only addresses one symptom of a far greater problem.

And that makes one symptom you won't have to worry about. Take it a step at a time is good approach.

Edith Massey wrote:

The real strawman here is gun control.

BS. It's a stupid mindset to think for any reason you need a gun in your house (and please don't start rattling off other 'things' you don't need in your house as some sort of counterargument). If you think you do, then YOU are the problem.

out of their hands wrote:

And that makes one symptom you won't have to worry about. Take it a step at a time is good approach.

Great approach, just keep worrying about the symptoms, not the problem itself.

You're like an obese person who bitches about being fat and takes diet pills, rather than eating right and exercising.

I guess we could just ban all fattening food...

Personal responsiblilty is not learned by removing temptation, but by accepting it and dealing with the fact that you cannot live in a bubble.

Sorry, but you have yet to produce any semblance of an argument.

Edith Massey wrote:

Great approach, just keep worrying about the symptoms, not the problem itself.

You're like an obese person who bitches about being fat and takes diet pills, rather than eating right and exercising.

I guess we could just ban all fattening food...

Personal responsiblilty is not learned by removing temptation, but by accepting it and dealing with the fact that you cannot live in a bubble.

Sorry, but you have yet to produce any semblance of an argument.

Oh, brilliant. Yes, just make up some analogy off the top of your head and then say "There! I got ya that time!".

Yes, let's just push the blame onto society so you can keep S&W safely in your dresser drawer, right where it belongs. I'll bet you could do a fine job of teaching personal responsibility to someone who could give a rats a$$ whether you take another breath or not. But that's not your job, even better than that it's society's job! YOU get to blame others AND keep your gun at the same time!

Guns create opportunity. Statistically that citizen-owned handgun will cause far more problems than it will solve because it will fuel a problem to extremes that may have otherwise been extinguished. Oh, no...it's not the guns, it can't be that! After all, they're so useful.

How long does it take one person to kill 32 people with a pipe? Knife? Hair gel?

Point is, if this guy had a knife instead of a gun he would have easily been stopped before he killed more than one person.

If guns were illegal and someone follows you into a store to rob and kill you and everyone else you can't do anything. Meanwhile, if guns are legal (they are) and someone follows you in a store to rob and kill you and everyone else you still can't do anything. By the time you reach into your side for your gun you'd be dead.

Alan

VT wasn't the worst school massacre in history. The one that was didn't even involve guns.

Guns don't kill people.

Crazy people with guns kill people.

And since you're more likely to have your own gun used against you than to successfully defend yourself using your gun, anyone who owns a gun is crazy.

So take away their guns.

I don't see the problem.

this is a dumb thread. your acting like this is the first time anybodys been shot. yes this was a horrible tragedy but to ban guns all together is just an uneducated rant. where was your "voice of reason" whenever some black kid gets shot up in Compton or Brooklyn? Or when asian and latino gangs in L.A. go shooting up places with innocent people just to get at one person they don't like? you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself. your starting to sound like my gay brother I love peeps.

p.s. what difference would this make? if you have the intent to kill someone your going to do by any means necessary. you wouldve banned guns, the kid probably wouldve built a homemade bomb and killed more people than he had with a gun.

You assume I even own weapons, I do not.

You have an irrational fear of inanimate objects (guns).

You're not very intelligent, and you have no argument.

Isn't arguing an emotional position kind of like standing around crying, hoping to get noticed?

Wogten wrote:

Phil. wrote:

But not to require a check so that someone who was committed to a psychiatric facility and found to be a danger to himself and others couldn't buy two guns and a large quantity of ammunition about a year later?

There are checks in place to ensure that a person convicted of a felony in any state is not able to buy a gun.

Despite what you may have heard, there is no 'gun show loophole' around these checks. They apply to ALL dealers.

I completely agree that anyone who is found to have psychiatrict health issues SHOULD NOT be able to buy a gun.

However, now you have people who demand that health records remain private.

That's fine, but in order to get my pilot's license I had to give up that privacy, if I didn't want to I didn't get to be a pilot, why should a person who wishes to purchase a firearm not be required to do the same?

I personally have no problems with the medically insane being denied rights or even placed in asylum.

You need to take that one up with the ACLU.

To the poster who called me dickless: Once again, I find it telling that the people who rail against guns to mention masculinity. Attempting to quell feelings of inadequacy are we?

I myself am not frightened of inanimate objects. I recognize that only people have the capacity to be evil. And I am equipped to deal with that.

I'm equipped to deal with your sister too..... even though you insinuate that I am not.

Neener neener! :)

wogten,

i can kiss you.. i think i'll go out and buy a couple of 38. specials

MMmmmm muah!