How Much Does Ryan Hall Make A Year?

gsp wrote:

The arguement isnt to pay him more than he could make in another job, it is to pay him what being as good as he is in this field is worth in other fields.

Only problem with this is that Hall's performance isn't benefiting anyone very much. The cornerback's team sells more tickets if their defense is good, same idea with the forward, the stock broker makes a ton of money for people, and same with the sales rep. Do you really think Asics is going to sell a ton of shoes now to joe blow jogger who has no idea who Ryan Hall even is?

greenguy wrote:

Would the government have taxed his winnings too? Down here they thiefs would have taken 30% of his prize money

Uhhh, where exactly do the money to make the roads come from? Private institutions?

Maybe I am wrong but I believe that every sub 28 minute 10k guy makes over 100k a year?

the money is there wrote:

Maybe I am wrong but I believe that every sub 28 minute 10k guy makes over 100k a year?

Yes, you are wrong

Remember your statement. I have some inside info that says different.

Economics of Running wrote:

the money is there wrote:

Maybe I am wrong but I believe that every sub 28 minute 10k guy makes over 100k a year?

Yes, you are wrong

I believe that you are wrong. Tell me one american male that ran sub 28 minutes last year that did not make $100,000. I believe that things are way better than they were five years ago.

the430miler wrote:

elite runners dont really need to make that much money.

most of their expenses are already paid for by their sponsors; for example- clothing, transportation, food, and race entry fees.

the only real expense that ryan hall has had to pay for HIMSELF was probably a wedding ring for sara.

I cannot believe you people let this comment slide.

Someone is going to leave mom's house and get a big surprise one day...

Only 2 americans ran under 28 minutes last year. Abdi twice and Dobson.

DNF in London wrote:

Only 2 americans ran under 28 minutes last year. Abdi twice and Dobson.

Guess you slept through the Cardinal Invitational then didn't you. (i.e. Webb, Ritz, Fam)

name the name wrote:

I believe that you are wrong. Tell me one american male that ran sub 28 minutes last year that did not make $100,000. I believe that things are way better than they were five years ago.

Neither Fam nor Goucher made $100 grand last year.

27:22.81 Abdi Abdirahman (Nike) Hengelo GP 05/28

27:34.72 Alan Webb (Nike) Cardinal Inv 04/30

27:35.65 Dathan Ritzenhein (Nike) Cardinal Inv 04/30

27:37.74 Anthony Famiglietti (adidas) Cardinal Inv 04/30

27:45.65 ——Ritzenhein Hengelo GP 05/28

27:59.41 Adam Goucher (Nike) Brussels GP 08/25

All you guys that wish you could get paid to run should hope/pray Hall get millions. The more money the top runners get, the further down the list you can be and still get paid to run. So, for all you 14 minute 5k runners, wanna know how to get paid? Hope that Teg gets $3 to $5 million for a 13:04 PR. Hope Legat get more for a 12:59 PR. Then thir will be money for the 13:30 PR and maybe even the 14PR.

Or think of it this way. If Teg gets 100k/year for a 13:04 PR. And a 14k PR is worth 1/50 (2%) a 13:04 PR (which would be my guess), a 14 minute PR will net you $2

2,000/year. That will maybe over your expenses.

But if running was more popular and Teg made $3 million/year, a 14K means you would get paid $60,000 year to run!

So don't rationalise that their is enough money is distance running. This is a country of 300 million and maybe 20 people get paid to run. Hope for more, much much more!

The truth is, American's (ie fans, corporations, sponsors, race promoters etc) will not dish out boat loads of money until we have the best runners in the world. Right now American distance running is like minor leauge baseball....people want to see the best. Hall, Meb and others are starting to change that, but until the US has a stable of the worlds best athletes, the money will go elssewhere. Once the few elite athletes our system supports makes the US the top distance power in the world, the cash will flow. the USA is in love with champions...world champions.

Economics of Running wrote:

So don't rationalise that their is enough money is distance running. This is a country of 300 million and maybe 20 people get paid to run. Hope for more, much much more!

There's a difference between hoping for something, and thinking that if it doesn't happen it's somehow "unfair". The vast majority of people on this board would like to see more money dished out to distance runners. But that doesn't mean we think runners like Hall are getting screwed because they're only going to net $30,000 from an exceptional race.

It's not like there's a big huge pit full of money that "the powers that be" are refusing to dish out. The money has to come from somewhere!

Looking at guys that run for teams like Hansons and ZAP you will see that they make enough to survive on through their sponsorship given by the club. In these clubs you have guys with 14 prs who have shown a lot of potential. It is tough for me to believe that someone like Hall who just ran sub 1 hour would not be making 5 times what these guys are. To me a good estimate would be to start at 100000 just for his contract and go from there.

Economics of Running wrote:

Yank wrote:

Plus, I think you're underestimating the intangible value of doing what you love for a living. Of course you're going to make more working on Wall Street - it sucks. He gets paid (fairly well) for doing what he loves. Can't get any wealthier than that.

I understand this. But this is why America is a second (or third) rate distance power. The lack of money makes too many potential runners "do the Don Sage thing." I don't blame them as it seem their is only enough money in distance running for less than 20 athletes to get married and afford a mortgage.

Further, in 10 or so years when Hall retires, he's still going to have to work to pay his mortgage. By then, he should be set for life. I hope he is.

I'm not sure money is the only reason. Don Sage had been running at a high level for 10 years, and was counted on for scoring purposes pretty much the whole time. Some people get tired of it all. Continuing to train like that and race like that with the pressure of performing isn't for everyone. Many of us were in similar situations (though less talented than Sage) where we were the No. 1 runner all through high school and college. Just gets to be a burden. Plus, after college and you've got a degree, some are just chmping at the bit for something new and exciting. Sage was a stellar student, so I'm sure he had tons of doors opened for him. I think more money in the sport would definitely make it more competitive and more college runners would stay in it a little longer, but certainly not everyone would.

Why so much talk of Don Sage, is he the only guy ever to by pass a post collegiate runner career to move on with his life?

Is Sage raking in millions?

thinking wrote:

Looking at guys that run for teams like Hansons and ZAP you will see that they make enough to survive on through their sponsorship given by the club.

And they are just working 20+ hours a week in the store for free then?

1 Rude question

2 You are a redundant idiot

pay day wrote:

athletes at the top of the sport do well enough to be comfortable. they aren't making NBA or NFL dollars, though, and they never will be. Until people are willing to pay big bucks to watch running, the money will be what it is and that will have to be enough.

By the way, you don't get money thrown at you just because you have a degree from Stanford or anywhere else. It helps, but you still have to DO something with that degree. Doubtful Hall would make more in business than he is now just because he went to Stanford. If he didn't run, he'd likely be just another office worker in this country making an average of $40k/yr. You're not guaranteed anything in this world. Better you learn that now.

Think about what you are saying. Nobody will ever "pay big bucks to watch running" for a lot of reasons. You can't watch XC or road racing or marathons by buying a ticket like you can with football or basketball.

The money in pro sports come from TV (not necessarily from tickets) and so "big money" will come when lots of people demand that LD-running be televised. When they do, the television will follow, then the money will come.