Did FDR know about Pearl Harbor in advance?

Which Tuchman book are you referring to? The only one I've read is 'Guns of August'.

Anyway, you're right Wilson did not want to get into the war. I know allabout the Zimerman telegram. The point I was making is that a sneak attack was not necessary for Wilson or any president to take the country to war. My understanding of WWI history (by no means am I an expert, but hey, its Letsrun) is that Wilson came to believe by 1917 that only the U.S. entry into the war would end that horrible conflict. But, intervention would provide for him a platform for his idealism, a platform to shape a more peaceful world. Without U.S. intervention he would have no credibility to so forcefuly advance his ideas for world peace (14 points, League of Nations, etc..).

FDR not only knew about Pearl Harbor in advance, he orchestrated the whole thing, then GWB took a page out of the same book and orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks.

We faked the moon landings.

The government covered up the spaceship crash in Roswell, reverse-engineered the alien technology and works in cahoots with grey aliens to this day, abducting humans to harvest DNA.

Oswald was a patsy.

There was never a holocaust.

The military, under the direction of the Illuminati, is testing biological weapons on the American public by spraying chemtrails.

The Egyptian pyramids were built by space aliens.

Sauropod dinosaurs still tromp through the Likouala swamp, plesiosaurs still swim in Loch Ness, Lake Okanagan and Lake Champlain and pterodactyls fly free in the rain forests of Papua New Guinea.

I heard that in 2004, Elvis and Princess Diana had a hermaphroditic child with a birthmark in the shape of 665 on its forehead.

Well, not quite what they wanted, but they're going to keep trying.

Bush knows, knows there is nothing he can do.

A Pied-

Do you believe everything you read in history books? You do know that the "winner" of the war writes the history books...

How about indians? Do you think the first pilgrams had a nice little thanksgiving with them too? Do you think that they are devil-worshippers to?

Chances are if it's written in a common history book that is widely spread, it's quite inaccurate. I'm sure you won't hear or read that in your history class.

USA? wrote:

if he didn't know, how convienent that an entire fleet had been deployed OUT of PH just a day in advance.

When the majority of american don't want to go to War, what better way to get them to want to go then to allow a foreign attack on HOMELANDS. Everyone is always gung-ho for war after being attacked... (Pearl Harbor, 9/11). Do you have any idea how much the money has been made from going to war? all the patriotism that's risen - everyone goes out and buys an american flag, or has a "we support our troups" on their car. Lots of money to be made from a war-effort, and being a captilist country, makes questions like this incredibly easy to answer: Yes, the higher elicions of knowledge in the US DID know before-hand.

so you think FDR let the attack on pearl harbor happen so that he could make money???? even if he did "let" it happen (which he didn't), as someone pointed out already, that was a good thing. he made the right decision to go to war to save the freaking world!!! not to make money. if you think that, you're an f-in jackass.

isn't it just alittle bit ironic that everytime the economy takes a downward swing and the government is pushing to go to war (and the majority of american people are against it) the US gets attacked? Thus shifting the majority to be Pro-War... Coincidence?

Americans are all about spreading their form of government (democracy - really not...) to foreign countries that they benefit from (Iraq = oil), sure, call me crazy but it makes sense to help build another countries government (using American money) so the "new" country is already in debt to the US, that's a foot in the door to control their country...

I can understand why many foreign countries hate the US, what the US does is equivilent to a set of parents moving in after the kids original parents are dead or gone, and giving the kid NEW rules and tell the kid that is WILL be done THEIR way. The kid feels defensive against these new parents who just come in and attempt to control what he does. I'd be pissed too if it were me.

I'm a jack@$$ for believing someone made a profit for going to war? Laughable...

So since a book tells us FDR didn't know about it, and another book says he did know, which book should we believe? The one that claims he was too stupid to read the signs (along with the government and all secret agencies), or the one that claims he was smarter then most politicians play to be?

Also, he saved the world by going to War??? War saves the World? That alone is laughable. How is bombing "for peace" saving the world? Ever heard the phrase "crime begets crime"?

I've written this before, you obviously missed it:

Bombing for Peace is like F*cking for Virginity

(it doesn't make sense does it???)

Call me crazy but I assume the higher elecions of government are INTELLIGENT rather then STUPID. (do you really think, that with ALL the secret agencies we have out there spying on possible threats, that we don't pick up on an attack? Did that one just slip right through our fingers?? And such opprotune times... Strange...)

You can call me stupid for assuming literacy in the government, but what does that say about someone who assumes illiteracry in the government?

Since Today's The Date wrote:

What do you think? I don't think FDR was a runner prior to his illness, to keep it on topic.

No. Everyone loves a conspiracy, but the vast majority of the conspiracy theories are bunk.

you can't possibly believe all that, maybe you believe one or two, but you know you do not believe all that if you just take a second to think, I mean c'mon think about it

Would FDR have given Chewbacca a medal if Chewie stopped the Japs at Pearl?

It seems the post you are replying to is being facetious. Just remember that after PH, whitey got his ass handed to him all over, in China, Vietnam. Korea, India, Malaysia, Indonesia, Iraq, Israel. Payback is a m--f--. Arlington National Cemetery is the price America paid for messing with Asians and Islam. Have a Merry Christmas.

actually Arlington is the price Robert E. Lee paid for messing with America

do not stand on the cape and do not spit into the wind

I do'nt think FDR had any clue the Germans were going to bomb Pearl Harbor until it actually happened

Actually in Arlington today there are more war criminals and baby killers from the Crusades in Asia and the Middle East than from the Civil War. America should learn the lesson of these defeats. Don\'t spread your racist hatred throughout the cilvized world. We will kill you American invaders again like we have always done. Have a Merry Christmas.

Bah humbug wrote:

Actually in Arlington today there are more war criminals and baby killers from the Crusades in Asia and the Middle East than from the Civil War. America should learn the lesson of these defeats. Don't spread your racist hatred throughout the cilvized world. We will kill you American invaders again like we have always done. Have a Merry Christmas.

"Bring it on!"

the germans?

j.b. wrote:

I do'nt think FDR had any clue the Germans were going to bomb Pearl Harbor until it actually happened

ladies and gentlemen.... we have a winner....

otter wrote:

the germans?

Forget it, he's rolling.