Jim:
When Gatorade was pressed for an explanation of his statements he defined what he means when he says recoil, pushoff, etc. with the following excerpts from his posts.
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Pose doesn't claim that "gravity is enough to continualy drive the system". Pose says that gravity is the prime mover in running. These are two different things. Please, don't twist things for your convenience.
Yes, you must add - and recoil does it by bringing you into previous height....The difference between the recoil of a bouncing ball and a human leg is that metabolic process takes place in muscles
In a live organism the release of stored energy can't be separated from reflective contraction of miofibrilles. Means, upon foot landing proprioreceptors get impulses from nerves and involuntary contraction of certain groups of miofibrilles takes place. Recoil is divided into recoil of bones, ligaments, tendons and muscles
In a live organism it's impossible to separate "pure physical recoil" from reflective conraction of muscles reacting to landing impact
You can't influence neither "physical recoil", nor reflective mucular contraction, and you can't separately measure them, so for practical purposes it is called " muscle recoil".
No, we needn't to push-off. Let's agree upon terms: when I say "no push-off", I mean "not performing a conscious pushing-off action"
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Then when all of you pressed him further with these statements
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"You have very clearly stated your belief that POSE professes the human body to be a lossless system and capable of generating free energy."
"So, since it is now established explicitly that POSE believes in a lossless human body capable of generating free energy"
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He responded with
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Please, quote me saying it.
Where have you found it written about generating free energy?
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Whether you accept it or not, it is clear, that when asked to explain himself he said...the body is not a lossless system, there is pushoff, energy is added. His definitions of recoil and pushoff don't have to match yours or mine so long as we can understand within the context of how he uses the words what he is trying to say.
AS I reread many of the more frequent posts I find that posers and non-posers are saying many of the same things. Most all are saying there is pushoff, the body is not a lossless system, energy must be added, and to use Asterix's term there is no 'NET Gain'. This is excellent.
You should be pleased that both sides are coming together on all of these issues and that we are actually approaching an answer to the thread originators statement.
I am neither a poser nor a non-poser. I have already said I do not think I could switch to perfect pose form without suffering injury due to my age. I read your statements and others here with an unbiased view and so do not get hung up with the definitions of words, I only try to understand what is in the mind of the writer because I want to learn. I point out the actual specifics that I have read from the pose site, and the discrepencies that I see so I can better understand and facilitate this process. I have learned much from posters on both sides of this argument.
I think if everyone put down their swords we might be very close to a conclusion beneficial to all. And, I want to believe that you chose the life path of being an instructor because you enjoy helping people learn whatever their persuasions might be. But, only you could tell me if that is true.
P. S.
I have had a passion for electronics since I was a child. As I got older that transformed from radio communications to music, high fidelity and gadgets. I have built, receivers, amps and speakers. I did not realize it until now, but I have been to your site many times and I believe I downloaded some of your material. As I recall you did a good job of mixing humor in with technical explanations. I don't want to bring up your private life here but, I think a lot of these folks would enjoy your site.