Woodsy had a killer time in the 60's...
Woodsy had a killer time in the 60's...
I am sorry to bring negativity, but please look at these top programs. Which one of the top 10 mens teams in the region have gotten better throughout the season? From what I can see, not a single one, and that is a little disappointing seeing how sloppy the courses were early in the year. Like an old SUNYAC coach always said the best coach is rarely the one that wins. Lets hear it for the good recruiters and the wasting of talent! Just think how good the region COULD be.
Maybe I missed something on this infinate page thread, but whats happened to Berube?
woodsy looks like he's still living in the 60's
[quote]JackP wrote:
I am sorry to bring negativity, but please look at these top programs. Which one of the top 10 mens teams in the region have gotten better throughout the season? From what I can see, not a single one, and that is a little disappointing seeing how sloppy the courses were early in the year. Like an old SUNYAC coach always said the best coach is rarely the one that wins. Lets hear it for the good recruiters and the wasting of talent! Just think how good the region COULD be.
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Uh... wasting of talent? Have you not noticed how NYU and Cortland and Geneseo have been running recently? NYU goes out to Wisconsin, kicks ass. Cortland is made almost exclusively of sophs and freshmen, and they're probably top 5 in the country. Geneseo didn't run one of their top guys and still cleaned up today. Wasted talent?
And how about teams further down, how about Ithaca? Did anyone guess that Ithaca would be 4th today? Or that U of R would be 3rd? How can you possibly say that there isn't a single team in the top 10 that has improved over the season? And besides, the biggest races are still ahead of us, not behind us. Wait until we're done running before you start deciding that we should have done better.
JackP wrote:
I am sorry to bring negativity, but please look at these top programs. Which one of the top 10 mens teams in the region have gotten better throughout the season? From what I can see, not a single one, and that is a little disappointing seeing how sloppy the courses were early in the year. Like an old SUNYAC coach always said the best coach is rarely the one that wins. Lets hear it for the good recruiters and the wasting of talent! Just think how good the region COULD be.
Maybe I missed something on this infinate page thread, but whats happened to Berube?
Ummm, gooc teams don't peak for states. Why would you expect a huge improvement there? Wait till after a meet that some people might care about to spout off your nonsense, like Regionals, or Nats.
The state meet is a joke. It basically is the regional meet. Who wants to race regionals one week, then the next week race regionals again, then the next week race nationals? They should have the state meet earlier in the season and take that week off prior to regionals, but too many of the coaches want to have a state meet as the final meet of the season (especially since a majority of them have no hope of going to nationals). That's the reason a few schools do not join the association, and some who do join, don't race their better runners.
I would tend to agree with that. DI teams don't run their conference meets the week before their Regional meet, why do we? If it wasn't the week before regionals, maybe all the teams would bring their whole team, and the championship might actually mean something.
liffiker wrote:
The state meet is a joke. It basically is the regional meet. Who wants to race regionals one week, then the next week race regionals again, then the next week race nationals? They should have the state meet earlier in the season and take that week off prior to regionals, but too many of the coaches want to have a state meet as the final meet of the season (especially since a majority of them have no hope of going to nationals). That's the reason a few schools do not join the association, and some who do join, don't race their better runners.
The other reason is that the schools MUST show up and race the meet. And, if a runner does not race the meet, they are prevented from racing in another race. So if the meet was earlier in the year, a team couldn't send it's B team to NYSCTC's and their A team to a better meet like Paul Short. This isn't such a big thing in XC, but definately plays a roll in track. That's the reason for years Cortland wasn't a member because Jack wanted his better runners running National scale meets rather than beating up on the local competition.
regionals in 5 days, its gonna be to close for missiles so i'm switching to guns...booya
The reason I heard Cortland was not in the state meet for so many years (they were many years back) is that they got into a big scuffle at the state meet I believe with Plattsburgh. So they were not able to join for a few years and then they just didn't join back probably do the fact previously mentioned in washington's post.
Good luck to everyone at Regionals next weekend.
The State Meet is no longer a joke now that there is an "at large" bid. The NCAA now looks at a team's performance in the last 25% of the meets on its schedule when they are choosing the "At Large" teams. A team's performance in the State Meet is key if they want to have an "at large" chance. This meet was big for Geneseo, Cortland, RIT, SLU, UR - any team in the top 5 of the AR or looking to get ranked in the top 5.
Because Cortland won the SUNYACS, their coach probably felt he could take off this meet (a real "in your face move to the conference" in a way). Geneseo and RIT had to run well to show the NCAA committee they are worthy of a look as an at large team if either does not make it in the top two next Saturday.
End of the year meets can now be important steps to the NCAA.
U of R may have really helped itself - maybe Ithaca too. SLU's bad day hurt its chances.
To Jack P. - the good teams are now peaking - hold your criticism.
The executive committee makes the decision whether the athlete runs or not. Coaches leave athletes off all the time. It happens more than you think. Punish the coach - let the athlete run.
What if you don't have that state meet on your schedule, then it would not count as a final 25% thing. Let the SUNYAC meet be the final regular-season meet for the SUNY Schools, then the conference meet is important and you also get a week off prior to regional
"To Jack P. - the good teams are now peaking - hold your criticism."- SUNYACobserver
I agree, the good teams are peaking, ie Geneseo, Cortland, TCNJ, NYU. But I cannot help to think that the same thing that has happened in the past few years will happen again with R.I.T., Brockport, Ithaca, SLU and its already happening to R.P.I., and Oswego.
Who knows, what everyone was saying about Oneonta earlier in the season may be true, I can now see them as a top 10 team in the region, and Plattsburgh as well. For some reason I now feel spots 6-10 are up for grabs.
I don't care whether you are peaked or not, you SHOULD be running faster on November 4th than you did on September 1st in bad weather and a supposedly long course at Daniel Walker...
Um... I thought the Buff State course was short this year, not long? By something like 175m?
Well, if that is the case I do apologize. I could have swarn it was stated on here that in the past it was short, but for this year it was changed and now 60m long.
"In one last response about the Buff State meet, here are three facts (not something that someone thought they heard)
1. Tom Proctor (new buff st coach) said that he measured the course twice with Tim Burns, head WNY Official. First measurement was 175 meters long. They shaved off what they thought was the right distance but when it was re-measured on Friday, it was still a shade long. In order to keep the common finish for men and women, they left the men's course a shade long with the idea that they would get it right for the SUNYACS"
-from page 9
If you are a part of a conference, you should run your A-team. It is an insult to the rest of NYSCTC. If Cortland is that good, then they should not wimp out and run to show who is best this past weekend and then do it again at Regionals. Geneseo men and women have done it for years (with more all american runners and a Women's championship in the last 5 years).
JackP wrote:
"In one last response about the Buff State meet, here are three facts (not something that someone thought they heard)
1. Tom Proctor (new buff st coach) said that he measured the course twice with Tim Burns, head WNY Official. First measurement was 175 meters long. They shaved off what they thought was the right distance but when it was re-measured on Friday, it was still a shade long. In order to keep the common finish for men and women, they left the men's course a shade long with the idea that they would get it right for the SUNYACS"
-from page 9
ha. yeah, that worked out pretty well.
Does anyone have any photos from last weekend's NYSCTC meet? Thanks!