Jos Hermens and Doping Investigation: German Speakers We Need Your Help

"There just isn't enough money in it."

-maybe you should rethink that statement.

Why use Susy Favour Hamilton as an example of an athlete who is clean? I have no idea if she is or isn't but just becasue she never tested positive and she says "I am all for a clean sport" she's supposed to be drug-fre. Give me a break. I prefer to not even consider if someone is on something or they are not. Just enjoy the performances. Who give a $hit what they are on as long as they run fast. Wake up - this scandal in Spain will just prove what everone in the know knows - drugs are taken by a high percentage of athletes - top or otherwise. Big deal - I still love the sport.

just passing by wrote:

lol, I was watching the 10k world record last night for kicks and the announcer makes note of Jos being on the inside of the track yelling at Bekele the entire time. he talks about him like...4 or 5 times, it's pretty funny.

That actually has nothing to do with doping, just thought I'd share.

I have never understood how this could be allowed as the country that I lived in, coaching from the inside of the track was disallowed and could lead to the athlete being disqualified.

OneTimeCoach wrote:

just passing by wrote:

lol, I was watching the 10k world record last night for kicks and the announcer makes note of Jos being on the inside of the track yelling at Bekele the entire time. he talks about him like...4 or 5 times, it's pretty funny.

That actually has nothing to do with doping, just thought I'd share.

I have never understood how this could be allowed as the country that I lived in, coaching from the inside of the track was disallowed and could lead to the athlete being disqualified.

If you want a WR, you had better have somebody the athlete knows, trusts and can understand giving splits and instructions. ALL the major meetings know it, and they all want records/fast times. Sure it's against IAAF rules, but that rule is NEVER inforced at any major meeting.

In Ostrava 2004, a meet official told Jos that he couldn't yell instructions to Bekele during his first 10000m WR -- Jos told him to 'f*** off.'

So.........................

After this nice big long thread, is there a single shred of evidence that has come out from the Spanish investigation that links Hermens to doping his top African runners??

Nope.

Much ado about nothing. Again.

It's not that much wrote:

So.........................

After this nice big long thread, is there a single shred of evidence that has come out from the Spanish investigation that links Hermens to doping his top African runners??

Nope.

Much ado about nothing. Again.

HOW STUPID, HOW IGNORANT, HOW DUMB YOU ARE!

HOW DID BARRY BONDS DO LAST NIGHT?

DID YOU KNOW THAT BARRY'S SUPPLIER, ER TRAINER, IS IN JAIL?

DO YOU REALIZE THAT HERMANS WILL ALSO EITHER GO TO JAIL OR

SPILL HIS GUTS? THESE BASTARD COACHES AND RUNNERS WHO HAVE RUINED OUR SPORT WILL GET THEIRS....

I am just curious at why Jos has completely disappeared from the face of the earth..........seems odd if he is 100% innocent???

Jos--where are you????

snobby hotchkiss kids wrote:

Peraita in turn hooked Mensah up with Dr. Jose Luis Merino Batres - who is one of the leading figures in the cycling doping scandal.

Tenuous connections at best.

How PC.

They're all doped. Politics keep KB and others from being tossed.

unfortunately it is so wrote:

Lets face it its all a lot dirtier than we would like to think, and its not just the africans, its Americans, Brits and Africans and Asians and Europeans, the whole damned lot.

Due to politics, different people don't face the same levels of enforcement. Had Lagat been running for the US, then he would have been (rightfully) suspended. Instead, we get the made-up 'false positive' story. Don't worry, Jos will get off because of who his charges are, not the other way around.

not tenuous wrote:

unfortunately it is so wrote:

Lets face it its all a lot dirtier than we would like to think, and its not just the africans, its Americans, Brits and Africans and Asians and Europeans, the whole damned lot.

Due to politics, different people don't face the same levels of enforcement. Had Lagat been running for the US, then he would have been (rightfully) suspended. Instead, we get the made-up 'false positive' story. Don't worry, Jos will get off because of who his charges are, not the other way around.

How does that make any sense? How much money does Kenya put into international athletics? Isn't the common gripe that African dominance is hurting track's popularity in Europe and the USA, which constitute the financial backbone of the sport? If anything, wouldn't they want to "crack down" on African runners so that European/American athletes can take center stage?

So where's your logic?

former east germans.... cough cough

*Dirty!* cough cough cough

historically speaking, the east german state did have alot of info/research/practice in doping... the wall came down and well the expertise just migrated globally...

not saying Hermans is necessarily guilty, but I'm sure he probably knows someone who knows someone who knows someone with a hookup.... (also isn't Hermans the agent for alot of american athletes as well ?)

so that said, I'm sure there must be others that have connections to the spanish doping case... (managers, athletes, otherwise...)

This may seem a little to late, but thanks KIRIL for the great translation. I wish my German was half as good.

I'm procrastinating on my hausaufgabe...

wanna restart the "german" thread? it'll be fun!

oh yeah, looked up jos hermans on wikipedia (dutch version), and damn, he did some pretty cool stuff before he set up his track empire in Nijmegen..