What a coping thread from the letsrun crowd. Like CF or don´t it seems most just cannot handle the fact that people like to have a rounded fitness and muscular physique. And the copetrain from the skinny crowd is as funny as many crossfitters and so many other freaks in different sports are. Thats just typical human behaviour - Oh they are different than I am, the must be crazy and my world is the only one that makes any sense.
Apart from that you cannot argue with the fact that a well trained "Crossfit" guy is probably the ultimate fitness to reach for longterm health, combination of trained muscle strength and endurance without going heavy into just one, they can quickly sprint to the subway and they can lift a heavy bag without collapsing like a bodybuilder or a runner would.
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The cross fit pool of athletes is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller than the pool of athletes competing to get to the Olympics in track and field. No disrespect to cross fitters, but I strongly suspect given six months to a year of cross fit specific training and Ashton Eaton would compete head-to-head with the very best cross fitters.
You lack self awareness so it's inconceivable to you that everyone doesn't view the flags politically like you do. This is a common problem low IQ people have. Don't feel too bad about it.
You're completely missing the well rounded bit yet again. I could easily argue that the top cross-fitter could deadlift 500 more pounds than Ashton Eaton or do 30 more pull-ups than Ashton Eaton. I think you'd be surprised how many cross-fitters could run a 4:31 1500m.
No crossfitter can deadlift 500 more lbs than Ashton Eaton. He could easily pull 400+lbs, but let's be extremely conservative and say 300lbs for some silly reason. That's an 800lb deadlift. Does Eddie Hall count as a crossfitter? Yes, I'll concede, a crossfitter could probably do more pullups than Ashton. If they were strict, no kip pullups, they probably wouldn't beat him by too much. The guy can polevault after all.
You sound like you went a cross-fit gym one time, saw 3 randos working out, got triggered by the USMC flag, and never went back again.
I think the women's champion could beat Eaton in many weight lifting events.
The cross fit pool of athletes is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller than the pool of athletes competing to get to the Olympics in track and field. No disrespect to cross fitters, but I strongly suspect given six months to a year of cross fit specific training and Ashton Eaton would compete head-to-head with the very best cross fitters.
The entire point of cross-fit is that there is no specific training. I think it's far more likely that the top tier cross fitters could practice throwing a javelin or shot-put or discus for six months to a year and compete with olympic decathletes in those events.
The strength requirements to excel at cross-fit weed out the runners.
If Eaton was strong enough to compete with the cross-fitters at weight lifting he wouldn't be as fast as was when he wasn't.
What a coping thread from the letsrun crowd. Like CF or don´t it seems most just cannot handle the fact that people like to have a rounded fitness and muscular physique. And the copetrain from the skinny crowd is as funny as many crossfitters and so many other freaks in different sports are. Thats just typical human behaviour - Oh they are different than I am, the must be crazy and my world is the only one that makes any sense.
Apart from that you cannot argue with the fact that a well trained "Crossfit" guy is probably the ultimate fitness to reach for longterm health, combination of trained muscle strength and endurance without going heavy into just one, they can quickly sprint to the subway and they can lift a heavy bag without collapsing like a bodybuilder or a runner would.
There's a difference and some nuance to be talked about. If you say "well-rounded" athlete I think that encompasses skills like speed, agility, technique, power, strength, aerobic endurance, and anaerobic endurance. There's overlap between a lot of those, obviously, but those are the basics of being any kind of athlete.
There's definitely dumb people that will say, "Lol they will lose to a 9th grader in a 5k." And that's a dumb argument.
Crossfitter Olympic lifting skills are often very admirable, as I've pointed out. It's by far the most athletic thing they do—it combines power, strength, technique, speed, and agility. They must also possess pretty strong anaerobic strength, so kudos to them for that.
Most of what they do is very skill-less or low skill. Pushups don't require tons of skill. Don't get me started on their pullups. Carrying a sandbag isn't much of a technique, I mean, I'm sure there's some learning curve and positioning it just right, but they don't go and practice holding the bag for hours just to focus on technique like a vaulter might practice their plant. Ever try to hurdle? Ever try to, idk, hit a fastball? These are things that other athletes do that crossfit does not prepare them for in the slightest.
I've listened to a lot of guys like Zac Telander on YouTube. He was a competitive weightlifter and used to be very involved in Crossfit. I think he referred to Crossfit competitions as a competition of who can recover the best, not necessarily who can perform the best. They do a few days of extremely intense exercise, almost all of it with a little chemical assistance. It's kind of like "running the rounds" in track, except likely harsher on the body.
I think it's far more likely that the top tier cross fitters could practice throwing a javelin or shot-put or discus for six months to a year and compete with olympic decathletes in those events.
What a coping thread from the letsrun crowd. Like CF or don´t it seems most just cannot handle the fact that people like to have a rounded fitness and muscular physique. And the copetrain from the skinny crowd is as funny as many crossfitters and so many other freaks in different sports are. Thats just typical human behaviour - Oh they are different than I am, the must be crazy and my world is the only one that makes any sense.
Apart from that you cannot argue with the fact that a well trained "Crossfit" guy is probably the ultimate fitness to reach for longterm health, combination of trained muscle strength and endurance without going heavy into just one, they can quickly sprint to the subway and they can lift a heavy bag without collapsing like a bodybuilder or a runner would.
There's a difference and some nuance to be talked about. If you say "well-rounded" athlete I think that encompasses skills like speed, agility, technique, power, strength, aerobic endurance, and anaerobic endurance. There's overlap between a lot of those, obviously, but those are the basics of being any kind of athlete.
There's definitely dumb people that will say, "Lol they will lose to a 9th grader in a 5k." And that's a dumb argument.
Crossfitter Olympic lifting skills are often very admirable, as I've pointed out. It's by far the most athletic thing they do—it combines power, strength, technique, speed, and agility. They must also possess pretty strong anaerobic strength, so kudos to them for that.
Most of what they do is very skill-less or low skill. Pushups don't require tons of skill. Don't get me started on their pullups. Carrying a sandbag isn't much of a technique, I mean, I'm sure there's some learning curve and positioning it just right, but they don't go and practice holding the bag for hours just to focus on technique like a vaulter might practice their plant. Ever try to hurdle? Ever try to, idk, hit a fastball? These are things that other athletes do that crossfit does not prepare them for in the slightest.
I've listened to a lot of guys like Zac Telander on YouTube. He was a competitive weightlifter and used to be very involved in Crossfit. I think he referred to Crossfit competitions as a competition of who can recover the best, not necessarily who can perform the best. They do a few days of extremely intense exercise, almost all of it with a little chemical assistance. It's kind of like "running the rounds" in track, except likely harsher on the body.
Billiard players are highly skilled. Do you think they are fit athletes? How about dart players?
Push-ups require upper body strength and endurance. Strength and endurance are traits athletes should have no?
If athlete A can run 1500m in 4 minutes and do 20 push ups and athlete B can run 1500m in 5 minutes and do 80 push ups who is more fit?
Pole vaulting is a skill not a display of fitness. Hitting a fastball is a skill not a display of fitness.
I think it's far more likely that the top tier cross fitters could practice throwing a javelin or shot-put or discus for six months to a year and compete with olympic decathletes in those events.
"Bets I'll take for $2,000, Alex"
You would lose that bet.
Ashton Eaton's PR in the discus is 47.36m. The boys high school record is over 72m.
Ashton Eaton's PR in the shot put is 15.4m. The boys high school record is over 24m.
The dude isn't very strong and high school boys almost double his PR.
So my gripe with crossfit is that it seems that it gets a group of people who have a desire to be hardcore about fitness, but they don’t really know how to go about it. I know this is not all crossfit gyms, but most emphasize “going hard” on things that generally require a lot of good form. So you have people who aren’t in amazing shape, trying to do lifts for speed, rather than doing them with correct form. Moreover they just are kinda memeable, they dont really have a centralized objective. They just seem like a group of athletic misfits who want to do a pseudo military basecamp. It just seems like place for blowhards who know nothing about the science of athletics to just egg eachother on into serious injury.
It's because rather than being good at an established sport, they made a sport out of working out. So it's a competition between people who workout a lot but aren't good at the established sports so they made their own thing. I would bet many decathletes or football players or soccer players would perform well in crossfit competitions, but they're too busy competing in their more competitive sports.
I guess if you are searching for ridicule, you can find it in anything; CF receives no more hate than anything else. I use to train at a CF gym and sometimes with CF guys and my bone of contention is with the statement "fittest athletes on earth". (Not True!) There is an imbalance in their physiques. CFs spend a lot of time performing exercises that don't exist as a normal human function. Too much emphasis on strength, which you can clearly see in the women; they look more like bodybuilders than athletes.) The fittest athlete is probably someone who can do all of the things humans have to for survival and to thrive such as fight, swim, run sprints and distances, jumping, hand and eye coordination and throwing heavy implements or spears. I would say a boxer, MMA fighter, decathlete or even a triathlete is a better athlete.
Ashton Eaton's PR in the discus is 47.36m. The boys high school record is over 72m.
Ashton Eaton's PR in the shot put is 15.4m. The boys high school record is over 24m.
The dude isn't very strong and high school boys almost double his PR.
Okay, I can admit when I'm wrong.
A large crossfitter might be able to out throw a guy like Ashton in the shotput, mostly because of size.
Discus? That's gonna be a lot tougher. There's some smaller disc thrower and size matters a bit less. They dance across the ring, it's ballet.
Javelin? No shot.
Now compare the other technical events. Long and high jump. Pole vault and hurdles. Few if any crossfit athletes could hang with the best decathletes given years to train for these. Meanwhile, Ashton Eaton, in Olympic shape, could potentially win, or at least place very well, in "The Murph" at the crossfit games, with zero specialized training.
I think it's because they claim their champion to be the "fittest man / woman on earth." This is absurd for a few reasons. First, only a few white western mostly English speaking countries even participate in the sport. Second, PEDs. Third, no Olympic goal just makes it a second tier sport. I would compare it to triathlon. Just like I rolled my eyes when Gwen Jorgenson said she would win a gold medal in running after winning one in tri, I roll my eyes at the self-aggrandizement of the cross fitters. Fourth, it's basically weight lifting mixed up a bit with some token running or swimming or very modest gymnastics (eg walking on hands). You will never, ever see a successful cross fitter win a marathon, but one of their most successful athletes did participate in the Olympics in weight lifting. Let's just be honest. CF is weight lifting. And if Kipchoge is running literal circles around you, you are not the fittest man on earth.
Why can't they just celebrate their sport for what it is - a sport? They want to believe their path is the only one true path, like a religion. So weird.
Being strong and muscly isn't inherently better than being lean and fast. I say this as a woman, so it's not like I'm getting passed over in the dating market for not having more muscles.
I guess if you are searching for ridicule, you can find it in anything; CF receives no more hate than anything else. I use to train at a CF gym and sometimes with CF guys and my bone of contention is with the statement "fittest athletes on earth". (Not True!) There is an imbalance in their physiques. CFs spend a lot of time performing exercises that don't exist as a normal human function. Too much emphasis on strength, which you can clearly see in the women; they look more like bodybuilders than athletes.) The fittest athlete is probably someone who can do all of the things humans have to for survival and to thrive such as fight, swim, run sprints and distances, jumping, hand and eye coordination and throwing heavy implements or spears. I would say a boxer, MMA fighter, decathlete or even a triathlete is a better athlete.
If I had to pick a squad to go end-of-the-world-apocalyptic-survival mode with, it's 100% not the Crossfit guys. Go look at most special ops guys like SEALs. They're not tiny, but very few are "big." They look like a sprinter or maybe a middle distance runner. That's what practical, usable fitness looks like.
Ashton Eaton's PR in the discus is 47.36m. The boys high school record is over 72m.
Ashton Eaton's PR in the shot put is 15.4m. The boys high school record is over 24m.
The dude isn't very strong and high school boys almost double his PR.
Okay, I can admit when I'm wrong.
A large crossfitter might be able to out throw a guy like Ashton in the shotput, mostly because of size.
Discus? That's gonna be a lot tougher. There's some smaller disc thrower and size matters a bit less. They dance across the ring, it's ballet.
Javelin? No shot.
Now compare the other technical events. Long and high jump. Pole vault and hurdles. Few if any crossfit athletes could hang with the best decathletes given years to train for these. Meanwhile, Ashton Eaton, in Olympic shape, could potentially win, or at least place very well, in "The Murph" at the crossfit games, with zero specialized training.
High school boys also throw the javelin farther than Eaton can. If a high school boy can get better at "ballet" in 3 months of track practice I'd wager a cross-fitter could figure it out in a year.
You're still entirely missing the point. The claim is about general fitness not supremacy in niche events like pole vault or discus.
The cross fit games happen every year and one of the features is that the contestants do not know what events they will have to perform until they get there.
If you picked 100 events at random the cross-fitter will beat Eaton every time.
If you pick 10 track and field events Eaton will win because Eaton's entire career is "specialized training" for 10 specific events. And despite this he still probably loses to high school boys in all of them.
Ashton Eaton's PR in the discus is 47.36m. The boys high school record is over 72m.
Ashton Eaton's PR in the shot put is 15.4m. The boys high school record is over 24m.
The dude isn't very strong and high school boys almost double his PR.
Okay, I can admit when I'm wrong.
A large crossfitter might be able to out throw a guy like Ashton in the shotput, mostly because of size.
Discus? That's gonna be a lot tougher. There's some smaller disc thrower and size matters a bit less. They dance across the ring, it's ballet.
Javelin? No shot.
Now compare the other technical events. Long and high jump. Pole vault and hurdles. Few if any crossfit athletes could hang with the best decathletes given years to train for these. Meanwhile, Ashton Eaton, in Olympic shape, could potentially win, or at least place very well, in "The Murph" at the crossfit games, with zero specialized training.
You shouldn't have folded so quickly. High school boys throw a lighter shot than men in open competition or decathlon. Also, Cantwell's son not withstanding, nobody gets close to the outlier HS record.
I think it's because they claim their champion to be the "fittest man / woman on earth." This is absurd for a few reasons. First, only a few white western mostly English speaking countries even participate in the sport. Second, PEDs. Third, no Olympic goal just makes it a second tier sport. I would compare it to triathlon. Just like I rolled my eyes when Gwen Jorgenson said she would win a gold medal in running after winning one in tri, I roll my eyes at the self-aggrandizement of the cross fitters. Fourth, it's basically weight lifting mixed up a bit with some token running or swimming or very modest gymnastics (eg walking on hands). You will never, ever see a successful cross fitter win a marathon, but one of their most successful athletes did participate in the Olympics in weight lifting. Let's just be honest. CF is weight lifting. And if Kipchoge is running literal circles around you, you are not the fittest man on earth.
Why can't they just celebrate their sport for what it is - a sport? They want to believe their path is the only one true path, like a religion. So weird.
Being strong and muscly isn't inherently better than being lean and fast. I say this as a woman, so it's not like I'm getting passed over in the dating market for not having more muscles.
You could make the same argument for almost every single olympic event.
Do you honestly think the pole vaulting community is the best humanity has to offer?
Again... the claim "fit" has more to do with being versatile and well rounded than being a master of a single discipline.
There are 10 year old girls who could beat Kipchoge to death with their bare hands. The guy is 5'5 in heels and weighs barely 115 pounds. He's built to run the marathon. He's a master of a niche. The point of cross-fit is to be good at everything.
A large crossfitter might be able to out throw a guy like Ashton in the shotput, mostly because of size.
Discus? That's gonna be a lot tougher. There's some smaller disc thrower and size matters a bit less. They dance across the ring, it's ballet.
Javelin? No shot.
Now compare the other technical events. Long and high jump. Pole vault and hurdles. Few if any crossfit athletes could hang with the best decathletes given years to train for these. Meanwhile, Ashton Eaton, in Olympic shape, could potentially win, or at least place very well, in "The Murph" at the crossfit games, with zero specialized training.
You shouldn't have folded so quickly. High school boys throw a lighter shot than men in open competition or decathlon. Also, Cantwell's son not withstanding, nobody gets close to the outlier HS record.
The point is that decathletes are not great at any of the events they are just good at all of them which is the spirit of cross-fit.
I think it's because they claim their champion to be the "fittest man / woman on earth." This is absurd for a few reasons. First, only a few white western mostly English speaking countries even participate in the sport. Second, PEDs. Third, no Olympic goal just makes it a second tier sport. I would compare it to triathlon. Just like I rolled my eyes when Gwen Jorgenson said she would win a gold medal in running after winning one in tri, I roll my eyes at the self-aggrandizement of the cross fitters. Fourth, it's basically weight lifting mixed up a bit with some token running or swimming or very modest gymnastics (eg walking on hands). You will never, ever see a successful cross fitter win a marathon, but one of their most successful athletes did participate in the Olympics in weight lifting. Let's just be honest. CF is weight lifting. And if Kipchoge is running literal circles around you, you are not the fittest man on earth.
Why can't they just celebrate their sport for what it is - a sport? They want to believe their path is the only one true path, like a religion. So weird.
Being strong and muscly isn't inherently better than being lean and fast. I say this as a woman, so it's not like I'm getting passed over in the dating market for not having more muscles.
You shouldn't have folded so quickly. High school boys throw a lighter shot than men in open competition or decathlon. Also, Cantwell's son not withstanding, nobody gets close to the outlier HS record.
The point is that decathletes are not great at any of the events they are just good at all of them which is the spirit of cross-fit.
Decathletes are VERY good at multiple events, not just good. Their overall skills are extremely universal. A decathlete has lots of potential in many sports.
Crossfitters are VERY good at weightlifting movements, they're good to pretty bad at almost everything else. Their skills in weightlifting have good potential transfer to other power sports. But their lack of agility, coordination, and endurance would make them have a very hard time at other sports. It's also funny that crossfit is supposed to be universal fitness, but like 50% of it is clean & jerk and snatch. That's a niche, Olympic event my guy.
