Krum under 1:44!

Sure doesn't suck to beat the Olympic champ & the world champ...

Excellent running Mr. Krum.

Kindest Regards,

Monty

Another solid performance by Krummenacker. This guy is consistently running around 1:44. I think he's got a fast one left in him. A 1:43 low or 1:42 high. May be running out of meets to do it in though.

In the 800m the #2 to #10 guys finished within 1 sec of each other. The finish of this race must have been brutal.

I for one, hope that Krummy can keep this going next year when there are medals on the line. I think that the rounds might help him because of his strength. He certainly has the fastest 1500 PR of that main 800 group.

Where are the Americans! Disgraceful (outside of Krum)

1:43.... Damn.

Roy Batty2 that question was asked in several other threads- majority of our TOP track distance runners are

racing and training for FALL marathons. ie Marla Runyan,

Meb, Alan, Brad Hauser, Deena, Colleen, Jen Rhines etc.

The biggest payday are found in the marathon and they

all stated in various news articles, "I want to try the

marathon before its too late". Hey maybe two or three

of them will find the marathon to be their best distance.

Vipam

There are too many Americans running the 800 (both men and women) who are 400 types moving up. These folks are very short on strength, and whether they admit it or not, the 800 is a strength event. A fast sprint person can do well in a doestic race, but you have to be able to hang on a faster pace for the first lap and still be strong enough to have something left. As a rule, 800/1500 types do much better than 400/800 types. And when it comes to championships with rounds--forget it!

According to Runners World, Krummenacker was supposed to be a "pacesetter" for El G. Good thing they were wrong (or he changed his mind)!

175 KIPTOO, David KEN dnf

400 m 175 Kiptoo, David KEN 50.16

Does anyone know when Kiptoo last finished a race? I'm guessing that it was sometime in the last millenium.

oldguy wrote:

175 KIPTOO, David KEN dnf

400 m 175 Kiptoo, David KEN 50.16

Does anyone know when Kiptoo last finished a race? I'm guessing that it was sometime in the last millenium.

Kiptoo was the rabbit.

Kiptoo has been a professional-rabbit* for the last

three years!

* one who no longer actively competes but accepts pacing chores at most/all the major non-championship meet.

Jebus wrote:

oldguy wrote:

175 KIPTOO, David KEN dnf

400 m 175 Kiptoo, David KEN 50.16

Does anyone know when Kiptoo last finished a race? I'm guessing that it was sometime in the last millenium.

Kiptoo was the rabbit.

I realize that Kiptoo was the rabbit. There was a time, however, when paid rabbits were also competitive athletes -- not merely professional windbreaks.

Alberto Juantorena ..Mark Everett didn't fare too badly..did they guest.

And hey....the 400 folks moving up to 800 couldn't do any worse than the 1500 and up types in the US who have managed to make precious little impact internationally. At least the Meredith Raineys & Johnny Grays have made some impact. Don't hold your breath waiting for those slow, distance-loving 1500 & up Americans to make any noise internationally anytime soon...Jearl Miles has more balls than the distance guys, and at least she's over there competing regularly on the circuit, and giving people a run...where are the US men besides Krumm? What's all there distance/strength background done for them lately? They can't even hang with the B & C class Kenyans who hand them their asses on the roads in this country every weekend.

Krummenacker is a 800/1500 type. If you doubt it, compare his 1500 pb with his 400 pb and ask yourself in which event is he more competitive.

almost all 800m world record holders have been 800/1500m types although there are some exceptions. the problem is in americas philosophy that long slow distance makes you any sort of a mid-distance runner.

In America, we have many outstanding 400 meter runners. A percentage of those who run low 46 high 45 could probably move up to the 800 and with proper work challenge on the world level. Some never could, granted. But a guy with that much speed who also has a workable cardiovascular system that can support elements of stamina would run 1:45's. I've coached guys with numbers such as 48/1:46, 48/1:47, 47.6/1:45, 48.8/1:49 so it's not from idle conjecture that I speak.

it may be true that those pure sprinters would be good at 800m but a good 1500m runner has that kind of speed (47-48s) on top of 1500m stamina, thus making him the better 800m candidate.

Not true the 1500m is more of a aerobic type event;

whereas, the 800m and 400H are almost equal anaerobic/aerobic events. In the past MORE 1500m runners

successfully dropped down than 400m runners stepping up.

The foremention fact does not mean they are better suited,

it just mean more 1500m runners try the 800m than 400m

runners! Many 400m runners have stepped magnificantly

i.e. Alberto Juantero, Ana Quirot, Obea Moore (High School

200m 20.77, 400m-45.17, 800m-1:49.06), and Jarmila Kratilova sub 11 sec-100m, 47.7-400m, and current 800m WR

from the early 80's. The 400m runners will prove more

successful once an abundance of them start stepping up and

recieving the proper training!

Whether a 800/1500 guy would be better than a 400/800 depends on which ones you're talking about. But, in the U.S.A. there are more high quality 400 meter runners than high quality 1500 meter runners. From that talent pool of 400 meter runners you could make some world class 800 meter runners. I'm not talking about a Juantarena - he was once in twenty years type guy (best 400 meter runner in the world and best 800 meter runner in the world). I'm talking about the guys who can run mid to upper 45's and low 46's. A percentage of those guys could convert to sub 1:45 runners with potential to go under 1:44. Who knows where they could go from there?

Many 400 meter runners could never convert - they don't have the cardiovascular requisites. But those that do, unless they are set to run low 44's, should consider moving to the 800. They'll have to be willing to pay a steep price in training to get their bodies right for the 800, but if they do, they'll jump to the top of the competitive pyramid. The U.S. should have, minimum, six sub 1:45 guys each and every year. If we don't, it just tells you what the rest of the world knows about us: we waste more talent than most countries can even dream about.