Reading comprehansion is not your strong suit is it? In my last post I said that I thought it was possible that someone would come along who is better than Henry was. so wher do you get this stuff about me saying Rono will always be better? Seriously, how do you come up with "to (me) Rono will always be better?
IT'S 30 SECONDS BRO... It's half a lap. Nico is better, you won't accept the truth. If you don't think 30 seconds is enough time, then it's very clear that nothing will ever be enough.
IT'S 30 SECONDS BRO... It's half a lap. Nico is better, you won't accept the truth. If you don't think 30 seconds is enough time, then it's very clear that nothing will ever be enough.
You didn't answer my question.
If you are unable to justify Nico Young being better than Henry Rono (very easy for someone who is not delusional), then why should I trust your suggestion that you can justify that someone else will be better.
There's this kid from Utah that just ran 13:38, he's going to break 13 and 27 within the next few years. At the age of 20, he will have faster PRs than Henry Rono did in his entire lifetime (mile, 5k, 10k). What will he have to do to be better than Rono?
Because apparently being 30 seconds faster than him isn't enough and closing the last mile of your NCAA championship 5k faster than Rono's mile PR isn't enough.
I'd be curious if Mike Smith actually thinks Nico is "better" than Rono. Faster, yes, but I'd bet he'd give the "better" nod to Rono. He would understand the context.
Devon, you're obviously young, maybe on Adderall based on your posts, but you'll likely understand as you get older.
If you are unable to justify Nico Young being better than Henry Rono (very easy for someone who is not delusional), then why should I trust your suggestion that you can justify that someone else will be better.
There's this kid from Utah that just ran 13:38, he's going to break 13 and 27 within the next few years. At the age of 20, he will have faster PRs than Henry Rono did in his entire lifetime (mile, 5k, 10k). What will he have to do to be better than Rono?
Because apparently being 30 seconds faster than him isn't enough and closing the last mile of your NCAA championship 5k faster than Rono's mile PR isn't enough.
In your world evidently the faster time is all that determines who is the better runner. That's your business and I don't care if you think Young is better than Henry because he has a faster time, though I'm puzzled as to why you're using Young rather than Fisher to make your point given that Fisher has run faster than Young but again, that's up to you. What you seem unable to grasp is that for many of us, certainly including me, is that best times are really not that much of a consideration when you're comparing athletes from different eras or circumstances. The thing I pay attention to is results from competition. Henry was unbeatable in his prime. So was Zatopek. That their best times are slower than Young's does not matter at all to me. If Young runs 25 flat for the 10,000 I will not believe he's better than Rono or Zatopek if he's not winning all or nearly all of his races. You see things differently and that's fine.
But you still haven't answered my question and while this has been kind of fun in an odd way, I'm not going to argue with someone about things I never said and you're doing that so we may be done with each other now.
I'd be curious if Mike Smith actually thinks Nico is "better" than Rono. Faster, yes, but I'd bet he'd give the "better" nod to Rono. He would understand the context.
Devon, you're obviously young, maybe on Adderall based on your posts, but you'll likely understand as you get older.
Faster is better bro... That's the reason we time races...
I'd be curious if Mike Smith actually thinks Nico is "better" than Rono. Faster, yes, but I'd bet he'd give the "better" nod to Rono. He would understand the context.
Devon, you're obviously young, maybe on Adderall based on your posts, but you'll likely understand as you get older.
Faster is better bro... That's the reason we time races...
you just exposed yourself as not only a young kid with no perspective on anything that hasn't happened since you entered HS, but as a californian. Fischer is from Michigan, Rono from Kenya.
Not better, faster. Era adjusted (clothes/spikes/tracks/money) Rono is better. 4 World records; Rono is better. As a functioning alcoholic and running those times, Rono is better (but not wiser). The American is a very fine runner and could be great. Time will tell.
It’s actually shocking to me how few people have brought up that Rono was 26 in 1978, whereas Nico is 21. Obviously shoes make a difference in the other direction, but we are talking about a grown man at 26 vs someone still developing at 21. There are very few runners that peak at 21, and we are almost certainly going to see a faster version of Nico at 25 or 26 than we see today.
I’m as guilty as anyone else of thinking my glory days were the best for all sports, but it’s not necessarily true if you think of it objectively. How can we make jokes about BYU’s 32 year old freshmen and then turn around and deify Rono as an NCAA athlete when he was far older than almost anyone else who competes at that level?
most runners gp about 10 years at a high level. young has been training hard for 8 years, be curious to see what he can do at 25-26? Maybe there will be even better shoes by then?
Obviously shoes make a difference in the other direction, but we are talking about a grown man at 26 vs someone still developing at 21. There are very few runners that peak at 21, and we are almost certainly going to see a faster version of Nico at 25 or 26 than we see today.
It is not (only) age that matters, but the actual number of years that you train at high level. Rono at 26 had a number of actual training years probably lower or at worst comparable to Nico Young at 21. The same is true for example for Ingebrigtsen, who as a 10 year old was basically running as a pro.
At much much lower level you see the same even for high school kids with no meaningful talent (the 4'50" 1600 kid on 20 mpw that at some point becomes "better" than the 4'30" kid on 60 mpw) and even better for hobbyjoggers that start running at adult age and hit their peaks as master runners.
Agree. The boomer narratives here are out of control. Take any Jim Ryun thread.
Not a boomer but I would like to see what any modern miler or 800 runner could do with spike soles made out of stitched leather and fixed pin spikes measuring 3/4"-1". ...And running on cinder/dirt tracks.
Ryun ran 1:44 and 3:35 with these shoes and track surface. (He improved to 3:33 on a "modern" track in 1968)
I'd be curious if Mike Smith actually thinks Nico is "better" than Rono. Faster, yes, but I'd bet he'd give the "better" nod to Rono. He would understand the context.
Devon, you're obviously young, maybe on Adderall based on your posts, but you'll likely understand as you get older.
Doesn't everyone understand the context? I doubt if Smith would even have an opinion other than that you can’t compare athletes from different eras.