Ranked 6th going into the final weekend. Boss man thinks they are a lock and decides to run a workout instead. At the end of the meet the other "last chance results" start flowing in. Things look bad. Coach starts to freak. Looks at the rules, talks to others and feels there's nothing against the rules that would keep them from attempting one more event at their home meet.
Calls the timer, calls opposing coaches, calls the officials, calls the team. Everyone is in. They run the time. Far from normal. Could be immoral. Not sure what rule was broken.
Reading here it looks like the 10 minutes in between events rule was broken. That rule is not well known (Ive coached for almost 20 years and did not know). If it's a rule it's broken quite often....event at various levels of the NCAA conference and national championships.
It's a wild freaking sport. Us coaches caused it. Anyone know what the rules are for what constitutes a legal meet in NCAA 1 and 2? I dare you to look it up. I'm embarrassed to represent the NCAA? 2 teams represented...1 individual from each team with 5 total events. No timer needed.
LJ (2 competitors- team 1 leaves)-HJ-SP-DT-TJ (solo). You are good. Meet counts.
An absolute joke of a sport.
Get rid of last chance meets. Team score meets. This sport is on it's last legs.
If the rule is 10 minutes (Rule 6 Section 2a) then NCAA is violating their own rule. Check out the start times on the schedule for this weekend where there is 15 and 25 minutes in some cases between meets. If its a rule why isn't it in effect for this meet as well. Shouldn't all meets be held to the same standard?
The time interval is between the end of one event and the beginning of another, not betweent start times for consecutive events.
"Event Intervals ARTICLE 23 The time between the completion of one event and the start of another: a. The interval between track events shall not exceed 10 minutes."
Conference meets last several days. Events may stop one day and not begin until 15 hours later the next day. There are 30 minute lunch breaks in meets.
If the 10 minute rule is the official reason for their DQ, then they got ROBBED because 90% of the national qualifiers also came from meets that violated the rule.
I agree it was a sleezy move by the coach, but I would have thought there are more clear cut, and universally followed, rules that prohibit this.
To use a rule that literally nobody follows is unfair. The 4x4 shouldn't be punished because the NCAA is unorganized and unclear.
From what I heard the reason they didn’t run in the actual race was that 2 of the runners were not 100% so the coach wanted to rest them for nationals.
From what I heard the reason they didn’t run in the actual race was that 2 of the runners were not 100% so the coach wanted to rest them for nationals.
Them’s the breaks. Not that far from 100% apparently.
If the rule is 10 minutes (Rule 6 Section 2a) then NCAA is violating their own rule. Check out the start times on the schedule for this weekend where there is 15 and 25 minutes in some cases between meets. If its a rule why isn't it in effect for this meet as well. Shouldn't all meets be held to the same standard?
You should contact them and try to get the meet cancelled 😂
If the rule is 10 minutes (Rule 6 Section 2a) then NCAA is violating their own rule. Check out the start times on the schedule for this weekend where there is 15 and 25 minutes in some cases between meets. If its a rule why isn't it in effect for this meet as well. Shouldn't all meets be held to the same standard?
With the exception of the multis, you don't have more than 10 minutes from the end of one event to the start of the next. You certainly aren't going to get 5 hours in between them.
Tell me you haven't seen the schedule without telling me me you haven't seen the schedule.
most rules are not literally enforced to a "t" and we don't throw out the rule book. the usual idea is a "thou shalt not" to discourage folks from misbehaving then we punish the extremes. then the extremes whine that we weren't handing out speeding tickets at the indy 500.
the basic premise on 10 minutes is to not let teams (a) postpone their way out of an athlete should have been pulled in 2 ways (say, a jumper with a heat to run) or (b) drag the meet out to give an athlete or team unusual rest. the train will run on time, so just deal with it. i don't think they meant it for some ordinary meet with technical issues and exhausted volunteers sets up and runs the 400H 12 minutes after the previous event when they meant it to be 10.
kind of like we don't call every bump in an 800, outside of the biggest events you're lucky to get a protest allowed ever, even if the event is on video these days. if someone gets tossed it's usually really really obvious, dropped baton, bad handoff out of zone, false start.
but to me that we either miss or don't enforce a lot of stuff shouldn't save the obvious instances the rule was meant for. the rule was meant for you can't run one relay 5 hours after the other. if we can't deal with that just start tossing out the rulebook.
With the exception of the multis, you don't have more than 10 minutes from the end of one event to the start of the next. You certainly aren't going to get 5 hours in between them.
Tell me you haven't seen the schedule without telling me me you haven't seen the schedule.
(1) i doubt that was the schedule posted before the meet.
(2) the point of the rule is if that was -- or became -- the schedule it doesn't fly.
there are a limited amount of reasonable excuses to delay an indoor meet, and the telling thing is nothing's posted on social media or anywhere letting the competition know the nature of the delay and when to resume.
when we had the squall line at conference there was no missing the weather outside and we were in communication with the host about when the stadium would reopen, meet would re-start, and the revised schedule. these days it'd be posted on the meet website and social media. you could use guesswork when weather could clear but you don't absolutely know when the track is deemed dry enough, when you go, hard to press an advantage, hard to time food and rest, likely to be a bunch of stiff athletes, times were on the slow side.
vs. we're gonna run a 4x4 at 830, bring your friends for atmosphere, go rest and eat.
MU gets teams/players in nationals in various sports every year, got others in nationals, and if you think about it would have probably been in for a shot with zero complaints and all credit had they just run the race on time. to me they got a little greedy.
it reminded me of my college soccer coach instructing me to hurt an opposing player who was conference player of the year. i played physical and shut him down and we kept the game very close but i won't do that. there's aggressive and there's too far.