The bad distance program has nothing to do with giving money to the Dec and Hep. It’s about hiring someone who can’t do their job well. Duke should be a top team and the distance coach hasn’t developed any talent. Its time for new coaches
It has nothing to do with Reckart. Maatoug is one of the best in the NCAA so it proves Reckart's training is sound.
THE PROBLEM IS WITH WILBOURN. He fired Riley, hired Reckart, and took all their scholarship money away.
Currently Duke has more scholarships into decathlon and heptathlon than all of distance combined.
Maatoug does her own trying like tons of other foreign athletes. She has no clue what she is doing and it’s obvious. Like I said before by keeping her just shows Duke does not care about winning or being good.
Duke doesn't care about cross country because of Wilbourn.
Duke is basically an Ivy League school right now because of so little distance scholarships. Only 1 Ivy League women's team qualified for NCAAs in cross country, that was Harvard in by far the weakest region. Duke women were very close to Harvard at Nuttycombe, right behind Syracuse and they beat Providence - Syracuse and Providence put 100% of their scholarships into distance.
Most top teams now are majority international or transfers. Duke doesn't have enough money to recruit large numbers of internationals, and Duke doesn't offer financial aid for transfer students.
They are redshirting a ton of people indoors.
Why don't you throw temper tantrums about teams with 18 scholarships into distance and still can't make NCAAs? There are tons of them (such as Toledo).
Maatoug does her own trying like tons of other foreign athletes. She has no clue what she is doing and it’s obvious. Like I said before by keeping her just shows Duke does not care about winning or being good.
Duke doesn't care about cross country because of Wilbourn.
Duke is basically an Ivy League school right now because of so little distance scholarships. Only 1 Ivy League women's team qualified for NCAAs in cross country, that was Harvard in by far the weakest region. Duke women were very close to Harvard at Nuttycombe, right behind Syracuse and they beat Providence - Syracuse and Providence put 100% of their scholarships into distance.
Most top teams now are majority international or transfers. Duke doesn't have enough money to recruit large numbers of internationals, and Duke doesn't offer financial aid for transfer students.
They are redshirting a ton of people indoors.
Why don't you throw temper tantrums about teams with 18 scholarships into distance and still can't make NCAAs? There are tons of them (such as Toledo).
Because Duke gets talent and they either stink it up or transfer. Thats a coaching problem.
Duke Athletics has three priorities: (1) men’s hoops, (2) fielding a respectable football team for the sake of being in the ACC, and (3) complying with Title IX. Nothing else registers. The lacrosse team gets some attention, and occasionally there are golfers or tennis players that are good, but nobody gives a crap. It’s a small school and can only admit so many athletes, given the need to satisfy 1-3.
My brother ran track and XC for Duke and in he thought that West Campus and its heavy social life was hard to avoid. Duke is probably less social now (but maybe the most social of any top school), but the distractions were substantial. It remains one of the best places for a distance runner to train as Duke Forest has dozens of miles of manicured forest paths.
My brother ran track and XC for Duke and in he thought that West Campus and its heavy social life was hard to avoid. Duke is probably less social now (but maybe the most social of any top school), but the distractions were substantial. It remains one of the best places for a distance runner to train as Duke Forest has dozens of miles of manicured forest paths.
After COVID, the party scene at Duke and other schools has gotten much bigger.
When you lock kids in their house for 2 years, they go crazy when they start to get freedom.
Duke has always been where privileged white kids named Jackson or Ella go to get wasted 5 nights per week.
Norm Ogilvie said during ACC indoors that his philosophy was distance but Wilbourn has changed the priority to sprints and hurdles. Ogilvie said it has proven to be the correct decision but this was a transition year since the top 4 women's sprint hurdlers graduated last year.
Maatoug was recruited for 800. But she already had an inclination that she was better off at 1500. Now it's turned into 1500 and upward.
Duke sort of stumbled into Maatoug. She was already attending college in the Netherlands and didn't have any intention of transferring to the United States until she saw how much fun and success her Dutch friends were having, her competitors from junior meets, especially one who was competing for Florida State. Maatoug put her name in Slamstox and was just hoping somebody would notice her. Credit to Duke for figuring it out. They signed her a couple of months before Maatoug won the Dutch indoor 800 title in 2022. If Duke had hesitated I'm sure other schools would have jumped in.
Duke should use Maatoug's success to attract other foreign athletes. I know they have a freshman from England who won an U20 800 bronze a couple of years ago. There are several promising Dutch juniors right now. I'm not sure how many of them intend to attend college in the United States. The best one Maud de Jong would likely aspire to an athletic program above Duke caliber. She ran 2:06 just beyond her 15th birthday last year and recently won bronze in the Dutch senior indoor 800, while still 15.
My brother ran track and XC for Duke and in he thought that West Campus and its heavy social life was hard to avoid. Duke is probably less social now (but maybe the most social of any top school), but the distractions were substantial. It remains one of the best places for a distance runner to train as Duke Forest has dozens of miles of manicured forest paths.
Yeah it's really great. I'm surprised they don't have more recruiting success based on that aspect alone. They have done a very good job with all the athletic facilities on that corner of campus. Walk down the back stairs from the track facility and it almost feels like you're in a national park.
Not exactly what I experienced at USC. Great campus but running wise I was looping Exposition Park and the Coliseum.
Norm Ogilvie said during ACC indoors that his philosophy was distance but Wilbourn has changed the priority to sprints and hurdles. Ogilvie said it has proven to be the correct decision but this was a transition year since the top 4 women's sprint hurdlers graduated last year.
Maatoug was recruited for 800. But she already had an inclination that she was better off at 1500. Now it's turned into 1500 and upward.
Duke sort of stumbled into Maatoug. She was already attending college in the Netherlands and didn't have any intention of transferring to the United States until she saw how much fun and success her Dutch friends were having, her competitors from junior meets, especially one who was competing for Florida State. Maatoug put her name in Slamstox and was just hoping somebody would notice her. Credit to Duke for figuring it out. They signed her a couple of months before Maatoug won the Dutch indoor 800 title in 2022. If Duke had hesitated I'm sure other schools would have jumped in.
Duke should use Maatoug's success to attract other foreign athletes. I know they have a freshman from England who won an U20 800 bronze a couple of years ago. There are several promising Dutch juniors right now. I'm not sure how many of them intend to attend college in the United States. The best one Maud de Jong would likely aspire to an athletic program above Duke caliber. She ran 2:06 just beyond her 15th birthday last year and recently won bronze in the Dutch senior indoor 800, while still 15.
As a Duke grad and someone who has been to the Netherlands many times, I can assure you that no Dutch person would think that students at Duke have it so much better than students in the Netherlands. Yes, there is great art there but the vast majority of people visiting the Netherlands visit for other more carnal adventures.
Norm Ogilvie said during ACC indoors that his philosophy was distance but Wilbourn has changed the priority to sprints and hurdles. Ogilvie said it has proven to be the correct decision but this was a transition year since the top 4 women's sprint hurdlers graduated last year.
Maatoug was recruited for 800. But she already had an inclination that she was better off at 1500. Now it's turned into 1500 and upward.
Duke sort of stumbled into Maatoug. She was already attending college in the Netherlands and didn't have any intention of transferring to the United States until she saw how much fun and success her Dutch friends were having, her competitors from junior meets, especially one who was competing for Florida State. Maatoug put her name in Slamstox and was just hoping somebody would notice her. Credit to Duke for figuring it out. They signed her a couple of months before Maatoug won the Dutch indoor 800 title in 2022. If Duke had hesitated I'm sure other schools would have jumped in.
Duke should use Maatoug's success to attract other foreign athletes. I know they have a freshman from England who won an U20 800 bronze a couple of years ago. There are several promising Dutch juniors right now. I'm not sure how many of them intend to attend college in the United States. The best one Maud de Jong would likely aspire to an athletic program above Duke caliber. She ran 2:06 just beyond her 15th birthday last year and recently won bronze in the Dutch senior indoor 800, while still 15.
As a Duke grad and someone who has been to the Netherlands many times, I can assure you that no Dutch person would think that students at Duke have it so much better than students in the Netherlands. Yes, there is great art there but the vast majority of people visiting the Netherlands visit for other more carnal adventures.
Regardless It's safe to say the distance program at Duke is failing
Duke doesn't care about cross country because of Wilbourn.
Duke is basically an Ivy League school right now because of so little distance scholarships. Only 1 Ivy League women's team qualified for NCAAs in cross country, that was Harvard in by far the weakest region. Duke women were very close to Harvard at Nuttycombe, right behind Syracuse and they beat Providence - Syracuse and Providence put 100% of their scholarships into distance.
Most top teams now are majority international or transfers. Duke doesn't have enough money to recruit large numbers of internationals, and Duke doesn't offer financial aid for transfer students.
They are redshirting a ton of people indoors.
Why don't you throw temper tantrums about teams with 18 scholarships into distance and still can't make NCAAs? There are tons of them (such as Toledo).
This user has it 100% correct. Wilbourn BUTCHERED distance. They had 1 or 2 good years on the track, but now most of their point scorers graduated or will graduate this year.
It's hard to blame Reckart when they are surrounded by 2 schools (NC State and UNC) that are cheaper and have more scholarships.
Let's assume Reckart has 5 scholarships for women's distance, and NC State puts 15 into women's distance. Duke can't only get 5 girls on full scholarship (averaging one full scholarship per year) and then only have walk-ons. So they try to get those recruits for less. This means Duke is offering LESS SCHOLARSHIP MONEY to top women's distance athletes than the multiple-time defending champion NC State.
Who would ever pay tens of thousands more to go to a worse team, when the defending national champions offer you a full scholarship?
Duke doesn't care about cross country because of Wilbourn.
Duke is basically an Ivy League school right now because of so little distance scholarships. Only 1 Ivy League women's team qualified for NCAAs in cross country, that was Harvard in by far the weakest region. Duke women were very close to Harvard at Nuttycombe, right behind Syracuse and they beat Providence - Syracuse and Providence put 100% of their scholarships into distance.
Most top teams now are majority international or transfers. Duke doesn't have enough money to recruit large numbers of internationals, and Duke doesn't offer financial aid for transfer students.
They are redshirting a ton of people indoors.
Why don't you throw temper tantrums about teams with 18 scholarships into distance and still can't make NCAAs? There are tons of them (such as Toledo).
This user has it 100% correct. Wilbourn BUTCHERED distance. They had 1 or 2 good years on the track, but now most of their point scorers graduated or will graduate this year.
It's hard to blame Reckart when they are surrounded by 2 schools (NC State and UNC) that are cheaper and have more scholarships.
Let's assume Reckart has 5 scholarships for women's distance, and NC State puts 15 into women's distance. Duke can't only get 5 girls on full scholarship (averaging one full scholarship per year) and then only have walk-ons. So they try to get those recruits for less. This means Duke is offering LESS SCHOLARSHIP MONEY to top women's distance athletes than the multiple-time defending champion NC State.
Who would ever pay tens of thousands more to go to a worse team, when the defending national champions offer you a full scholarship?
You missing the correct posts. Duke gets talent and has proven that with the athletes who come in. The coach just can’t get them running fast. That’s called really bad coaching
Anyone notice how well Penn State is doing after they finally cycled thru Reck athletes? They were VERY GOOD when she got there, everything went to trash when she insisted on coaching autonomy... and not they are rebuilding back to top of Big 10 and crushing the track.
XC results under Reck
2023 - 4th -- RECK TO DUKE
2022 - 6th -- RECK TO DUKE
2021 - 10th - Reck last season full control all her recruits and coaching
202 - 8th - Reck full control and finally all her recruits and coaching
2019 - 4th - Reck... full control of distance
2018 - 4th - Reck 4th season pushes Gondack for full control
Duke doesn't care about cross country because of Wilbourn.
Duke is basically an Ivy League school right now because of so little distance scholarships. Only 1 Ivy League women's team qualified for NCAAs in cross country, that was Harvard in by far the weakest region. Duke women were very close to Harvard at Nuttycombe, right behind Syracuse and they beat Providence - Syracuse and Providence put 100% of their scholarships into distance.
Most top teams now are majority international or transfers. Duke doesn't have enough money to recruit large numbers of internationals, and Duke doesn't offer financial aid for transfer students.
They are redshirting a ton of people indoors.
Why don't you throw temper tantrums about teams with 18 scholarships into distance and still can't make NCAAs? There are tons of them (such as Toledo).
This user has it 100% correct. Wilbourn BUTCHERED distance. They had 1 or 2 good years on the track, but now most of their point scorers graduated or will graduate this year.
It's hard to blame Reckart when they are surrounded by 2 schools (NC State and UNC) that are cheaper and have more scholarships.
Let's assume Reckart has 5 scholarships for women's distance, and NC State puts 15 into women's distance. Duke can't only get 5 girls on full scholarship (averaging one full scholarship per year) and then only have walk-ons. So they try to get those recruits for less. This means Duke is offering LESS SCHOLARSHIP MONEY to top women's distance athletes than the multiple-time defending champion NC State.
Who would ever pay tens of thousands more to go to a worse team, when the defending national champions offer you a full scholarship?
Miss me with this crying. Duke is a power5 school with popularity amongst American distance runners they can surely get high academic kids to walk on who are decent runners(women: 5:00-4:55/10:45-10:25; men: 4:15-4:10, 9:15-9:05) but you have to be able to develop these athletes past this. What I’ve heard is at Duke in general the academic demands make it hard to be all in as an athlete, but she’s got to figure out how to prioritize training so the athlete can focus on getting better, it may just be in the way she structures practice/training loads.
it can be done but clearly they’re missing the mark, but please do not tell me they’re not getting the talent to at least have a solid xc team. That’s BS.