Off topic but this makes me wonder, could Bekele have run a sub 1:48 back in his prime? It's hard to see him being slower than Young and 3:32 (basically 1:53 back to back) does take some speed, not even considering he might've gone faster with more focus / tries at the distances.
Off topic but this makes me wonder, could Bekele have run a sub 1:48 back in his prime? It's hard to see him being slower than Young and 3:32 (basically 1:53 back to back) does take some speed, not even considering he might've gone faster with more focus / tries at the distances.
There is no doubt that Kenenisa could run 1:47.2 or so, and Geb possibly 1:47.0.
Conference meet where times were not the goal. For example the mile went out in 2:06 and Young went to the back at the start. When interviewed after winning he said the plan was to work on tactics. In the half, I agree the he probably ran full tilt. Herrman took it out fast.
A comment on the ‘what coach gets as much out of the runners?’ question. Lyle Weese at MSU has a TON of men and women that were-good-but-not-5-star high schoolers running very fast.
To be fair, the best distance coaches in the country nearly always just happen to be at high altitude locations. The altitude makes them seem to be much better coaches than anyone else, but it's an illusion in most cases. I don't think it's an illusion in the case of Mike Smith, but he definitely has a huge advantage coaching in Flagstaff.
And to be fair there are other coaches at altitude that don’t get near the improvements out of less talent than Mike Smith. If you got it, make the best of it.
Dubious. What three teams have dominated D1 nationals in xc since the 1990s? NAU, Colorado, and BYU, top two 21 times since 1994. Granted that Wisconsin, Stanford, Arkansas under McDonnell, and Oklahoma State have done very well, usually with the top recruits but the altitude teams have done increasingly well as they've recruited better. NAU has done great under Mike Smith with great recruits. They've also had success with a few recruits with medicre hs times, Abdi Nur being the prime example, but not too many. They all improve at altitude pretty much because it confers a natural training advantage.
Who wins D2 nationals almost every year? Since 2001, Colorado high altitude teams, Adams State, Colorado School of Mines, and Western State have been first or second 31 times in D2. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.
I don't disagree but let's not pretend like he doesn't have some wheels. 3:51 is still pretty damn good
A calculator that puts 52 in a 1:49 caliber. Seems legit. Also 2:19 1k pftttttt
I glanced at this and looked right past it. I ran 52.0 as a frosh and relayed a low :51. Does that make me a failure, because I couldn't run a 3:51 mile as a 14-15 year old? Or a 7:30 3K? Or be the first American to break 13 in the 5000? Effing eh.... Some of these tables have to be made up by people that are just slow.
A calculator that puts 52 in a 1:49 caliber. Seems legit. Also 2:19 1k pftttttt
I glanced at this and looked right past it. I ran 52.0 as a frosh and relayed a low :51. Does that make me a failure, because I couldn't run a 3:51 mile as a 14-15 year old? Or a 7:30 3K? Or be the first American to break 13 in the 5000? Effing eh.... Some of these tables have to be made up by people that are just slow.
It appears you don’t understand how this works. You would need more than one data point. So for Nico we have 12:57 and 1:49. For you maybe it would have been 52 and 16:11, for example, which leads to a much different list of performances. Many can run 52 but few can run 12:57.
Nico is becoming one of those rare high school prodigies that actually lives up to or even exceeds the hype. His close is looking more dangerous by the month...
I don't disagree but let's not pretend like he doesn't have some wheels. 3:51 is still pretty damn good
Interesting that those times are quite close to Rupp's PRs (10000 excepted). And I think Rupp may be the runner Nico is most similar to as well. I really want to see what Nico can do in the 10000.
I glanced at this and looked right past it. I ran 52.0 as a frosh and relayed a low :51. Does that make me a failure, because I couldn't run a 3:51 mile as a 14-15 year old? Or a 7:30 3K? Or be the first American to entbreak 13 in the 5000? Effing eh.... Some of these tables have to be made up by people that are just slow.
It appears you don’t understand how this works. You would need more than one data point. So for Nico we have 12:57 and 1:49. For you maybe it would have been 52 and 16:11, for example, which leads to a much different list of performances. Many can run 52 but few can run 12:57.
I do know how it works. You entered his 800 and 5000 times and it spit out times he should run for every distance. So it says he is a 52.09 400 guy based off of those times. That means he's probably a 25s PR is the 200, but his final 200 in his mile yesterday says he accomplished that his last lap. I can say with 100% confidence these numbers are misleading.
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It appears you don’t understand how this works. You would need more than one data point. So for Nico we have 12:57 and 1:49. For you maybe it would have been 52 and 16:11, for example, which leads to a much different list of performances. Many can run 52 but few can run 12:57.
I do know how it works. You entered his 800 and 5000 times and it spit out times he should run for every distance. So it says he is a 52.09 400 guy based off of those times. That means he's probably a 25s PR is the 200, but his final 200 in his mile yesterday says he accomplished that his last lap. I can say with 100% confidence these numbers are misleading.
No you don’t understand it. Why would a 52.09 guy not be able to break 25? The numbers are not 100% going to be accurate for anyone but they are more accurate than what you would come up with.
What if he ran a 1:47 with more work on the 800 as this seems more likely now? He's just getting thrown into this race for a workout at a conference championship meet. I'm done doubting Nico Young
Just as a reminder, Rupp had lifetime PRs of 1:49.87/3:50.92/12:58.90
Just as a reminder, Nico Young has run 1:49.61/12:57.14 in January/February of his senior year of college
Want to highlight this here, for those who doubt that Nico could run 3:48-3:49. He is faster over 800m and 5k than Rupp ever was (albeit by small margins) and he did both indoors (which does actually matter for 800). He could definitely have run 1:48 outdoors, maybe 1:47. Also remember in 2022 everyone was crying about him getting converted down to a 3:54 mile and he ended up running 3:37 outdoors. If he runs a serious 1500 this year he will be 3:31-3:32. Locking it in.