And even if we don’t restrict ourselves to logic, are you aware of mid-career earnings for philosophy majors relative to those in chemistry, physics, and (well, non-STEM, but also seldom scoffed at) business administration?
And you were able to rule out that he’s in the logic concentration?
And are you aware of the general mathematical ability of those who study logic at top institutions? And their career outcomes?
I earned a Ph.D. in chemistry from Berkeley and have had a long career as a faculty member at research universities. I took the Intro to Logic course as an undergrad because it seemed like a good way to satisfy a "breadth" requirement with a course that was basically math. The professor was very good, and while teaching an intro course at a fairly low level, he gave extra problems for the top students who really wanted to test themselves. The hard problems were really hard, and required at least as much quantitative cognitive ability as anything I saw in math or chemistry.
I suspect that even athletes who get admitted to Harvard are very smart, regardless of their major.
And you were able to rule out that he’s in the logic concentration?
And are you aware of the general mathematical ability of those who study logic at top institutions? And their career outcomes?
I earned a Ph.D. in chemistry from Berkeley and have had a long career as a faculty member at research universities. I took the Intro to Logic course as an undergrad because it seemed like a good way to satisfy a "breadth" requirement with a course that was basically math. The professor was very good, and while teaching an intro course at a fairly low level, he gave extra problems for the top students who really wanted to test themselves. The hard problems were really hard, and required at least as much quantitative cognitive ability as anything I saw in math or chemistry.
I suspect that even athletes who get admitted to Harvard are very smart, regardless of their major.
The long-time NFL QB Ryan Fitzpatrick was an ECO major at Harvard and scored the highest score ever on the Wunderlic (48 out of 50).
He's a double major philosophy and economics. No it's not STEM but I bet he'll do fine in life lol
Not terribly uncommon for a number of those students to do the same multivariable Calc courses, along with stats and linear algebra (if not always diff eq beyond the basics offered in the Calc sequence) that are required of engineers. And then a number add real analysis to that, where the type of thinking is certainly challenging enough and unlike what a lot of students are accustomed to.
Sure enough the kid from Harvard is majoring in ..... philosophy! I knew he would be studying the humanities.
Is there any real evidence that Ivy STEM majors are more intelligent than Ivy Liberal Arts and Business majors? Ivy schools are nearly impossible to get into for any major.
Also, I am a Ivy Liberal Arts graduate (early 1990s) and can honestly say that a mid-level philosophy class was the only time I ever felt intimidated by a class.
Back in my day, Ivy League schools were primarily Liberal Arts oriented. Are they now STEM focused?
Yes. Without a doubt. There are many legacy students and athletes who are relatively smart. Smart kids who are not wealthy who got in on their own are not majoring in philosophy.
There are many legacy students and athletes who are relatively smart. Smart kids who are not wealthy who got in on their own are not majoring in philosophy.
This is false. Philosophy students in the U.S. (where analytic philosophy is emphasized) are almost invariably very bright and inquisitive, not wealthy, and not legacies and recruited athletes. They are among the purest of academics. In my own case, I received degrees in both philosophy and computer science and engineering from M.I.T., and the education in philosophy was by far the more valuable.
Nope. That wasn't your mist valuable degree. And no, the people who major in philosophy are wealthy and they fall back on Daddy. Engineering students are some if the some smartest.
I earned a Ph.D. in chemistry from Berkeley and have had a long career as a faculty member at research universities. I took the Intro to Logic course as an undergrad because it seemed like a good way to satisfy a "breadth" requirement with a course that was basically math. The professor was very good, and while teaching an intro course at a fairly low level, he gave extra problems for the top students who really wanted to test themselves. The hard problems were really hard, and required at least as much quantitative cognitive ability as anything I saw in math or chemistry.
I suspect that even athletes who get admitted to Harvard are very smart, regardless of their major.
The long-time NFL QB Ryan Fitzpatrick was an ECO major at Harvard and scored the highest score ever on the Wunderlic (48 out of 50).
Is there any real evidence that Ivy STEM majors are more intelligent than Ivy Liberal Arts and Business majors? Ivy schools are nearly impossible to get into for any major.
Also, I am a Ivy Liberal Arts graduate (early 1990s) and can honestly say that a mid-level philosophy class was the only time I ever felt intimidated by a class.
Back in my day, Ivy League schools were primarily Liberal Arts oriented. Are they now STEM focused?
Ivies still liberal arts. For some reason techs think a liberal arts school means only women's studies and criminal justice.
Many fine scientists start with a ba in stem. Physics and math stars love the logic of philosophy, not to mention have an interest in music, art and literature
You're not making the point you think you're making. Obviously a BA in CS or physics from Harvard or MIT is different than a joke degree from a directional state school.
Nope. That wasn't your mist valuable degree. And no, the people who major in philosophy are wealthy and they fall back on Daddy. Engineering students are some if the some smartest.
If you're an Ivy man, you're a pretty ignorant one. Philosophy majors outperform virtually everyone else in standardized graduate and professional tests, graduate school admissions, and career accomplishments. (Pursuing a Ph.D. in Philosophy is a dicier proposition; you tend to get tenure in a philosophy department only when someone dies or retires.) And rich daddies, except for the academically smart ones, generally aren't enamored of funding philosophy educations; vocational educations like business may seem more useful to them. As for engineering students, I've known thousands of the smartest. I wouldn't rate them above the philosophy students I've known.
And please note that I very specifically avoided saying that my philosophy degree was more valuable than my degree in computer science and engineering. I said that my education in philosophy was by far the more valuable. Degrees without education are of marginal utility in most intellectually demanding fields. (My most valuable degree was in law, because the degree itself was worth something, primarily in opening up opportunities to do interesting work for a living in a profession that tends to require degrees.)
Nope. That wasn't your mist valuable degree. And no, the people who major in philosophy are wealthy and they fall back on Daddy. Engineering students are some if the some smartest.
This is the type of poster who both makes and breaks LetsRun. He is really arrogant and just as ignorant. He thinks he can tell AN what his most valuable area of study was. You see the analytical ability that AN possesses is a combo of genetics and training. And some of that training was in his philosophy studies, and then he translated that into ostensible success in law school and a career in law. So maybe just pause for a moment and listen to those who know more than you do.
Science, Technology and Engineering are not math. Their students hardly have to study any more math than a high school student.
It's ironic that people think of math as something purely quantitative. Fundamentally it is an expression in language. That's why they give you "word problems" to set up.