Generally schools set their own rules for what they consider to be records. These rules tend to be pretty inclusive.
In any event, Stanford's twitter account is certainly counting this:
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Fan Out West wrote:
Rogers, Akins, Wilson and Wilson all in semi #1 . . .
1 Emily Richards/Tracksmith
2 Mckenna Keegan/NIKE/Nike Union Athletics Cl
3 Raevyn Rogers/NIKE/Nike Union Athletics Cl
4 Nia Akins/BROOKS Beasts TC
5 Ajee Wilson/Adidas
6 Allie Wilson/Atlanta Track Club
7 Roisin Willis/New Balance
8 Olivia Baker/Atlanta Track ClubNot as deathly as one might think:
heat 1: season best range 1:58.16 - 2:01.27
heat 2: season best range 1:59.01 - 2:01.24
The seeding scheme can't see reputations.
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Gator bait wrote:
. . . The seeding scheme can't see reputations.
But it can see qualified marks from the Status of Entries chart . . . which shows semi #2 is wildly overloaded:
Ajee Wilson adidas 1:57.23
Sage Hurta-Klecker On Athletics Club 1:57.85
Raevyn Rogers NIKE / Nike Union Athletics Club 1:57.96
Olivia Baker Atlanta Track Club 1:58.05
Allie Wilson Atlanta Track Club 1:58.09
Nia Akins BROOKS Beasts TC 1:58.785 of the top-6 pre-meet entrants are in semi #1 . . . this should not happen . . . congratulations to Sage Hurta-Klecker who could run a few steps backwards blowing kisses to the crowd and still advance from semi #2 . . .
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must be using current season marks for setting up the heats
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Yes, clearly SBs.
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Fan Out West wrote:
my two pennies wrote:
Sad for Willis and Baker. Unlikely to make it through.
Baker still holds Stanford's outdoor 800m record at 2:00.06 . . . time for that to go down . . . at least getting the SR would be a consolation prize for Roisin . . . but this heat should be the fastest of the two so good chance for Roisin to make it through on time . . .
Meanwhile, Whittaker stands a very good chance to advance out of heat 2 and also get under 2:00 . . .
Olivia Baker never ran 2:00.06 at Stanford. She didn't run that fast until after she graduated.
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Since You Brought It Up wrote:
Fan Out West wrote:
Baker still holds Stanford's outdoor 800m record at 2:00.06 . . . time for that to go down . . . at least getting the SR would be a consolation prize for Roisin . . . but this heat should be the fastest of the two so good chance for Roisin to make it through on time . . .
Meanwhile, Whittaker stands a very good chance to advance out of heat 2 and also get under 2:00 . . .
Olivia Baker never ran 2:00.06 at Stanford. She didn't run that fast until after she graduated.
Stanford credits her with the record
800
Olivia Baker
U.S. Championships/Des Moines, Iowa
6/24/18
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whambulance wrote:
Yes, clearly SBs.
Yes, if we look at SBs, heat 2 actually has more women who’ve run sub-2 this year. The average SBs are also very close: 59.98 in heat 1 vs 60.00 in heat 2.
Would welcome everyone’s predictions on the top 3 here:
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Club Runner at Kentucky wrote:
race for place wrote:
There’s no way to guarantee that with stupid little qs either.
At least with little qs a top contender who has a slightly off day and gets 5th in a stacked semi-final heat would have a chance to make the final if the time is fast enough.
The same runner could place 4th in the slower heat and then miss the final under the Q + q format.
These heats look very balanced if you look at PB and SB times. All races 800m and up should go to large Qs only. Small qs makes it way more likely that contenders will miss the final.
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FastTuohy wrote:
Since You Brought It Up wrote:
Olivia Baker never ran 2:00.06 at Stanford. She didn't run that fast until after she graduated.
Stanford credits her with the record
800
Olivia Baker
U.S. Championships/Des Moines, Iowa
6/24/18
2:00.08It seems odd that a school would give someone credit for a school record when that person had already graduated and had used up all of their college eligibility.
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Fan Out West wrote:
But it can see qualified marks from the Status of Entries chart . . . which shows semi #2 is wildly overloaded:
Ajee Wilson adidas 1:57.23
Sage Hurta-Klecker On Athletics Club 1:57.85
Raevyn Rogers NIKE / Nike Union Athletics Club 1:57.96
Olivia Baker Atlanta Track Club 1:58.05
Allie Wilson Atlanta Track Club 1:58.09
Nia Akins BROOKS Beasts TC 1:58.785 of the top-6 pre-meet entrants are in semi #1 . . . this should not happen . . . congratulations to Sage Hurta-Klecker who could run a few steps backwards blowing kisses to the crowd and still advance from semi #2 . . .
So who gets thru?
Ht 1: Rogers, Ajee, Akins
Ht 2: Hurta, Rose, Lipsey
Time Q's: Willis, Watson
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Gator bait wrote:
So who gets thru?
Ht 1: Rogers, Ajee, Akins
Ht 2: Hurta, Rose, Lipsey
Time Q's: Willis, Watson
I’d make the same picks except for Watson. I think Wilson, Whittaker, Edwards and Detra are all more likely to earn a spot. All 4 have better SBs than Watson, better PBs than Watson and got big Qs in the heats compared to Watson finishing 5th.
Heat 1 looks a little tougher but the disparity seems overstated. Hurta-Klecker and Lipsey are near-locks for the final and Rose, Whittaker, Detra, and Edwards are all pretty deserving too.
Nobody who has any real chance of making the team will be eliminated tonight. I predict Willis and Rose will set an honest pace in the respective heats and everyone will have their fair shake at making the final.
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Gator bait wrote:
Fan Out West wrote:
But it can see qualified marks from the Status of Entries chart . . . which shows semi #2 is wildly overloaded:
Ajee Wilson adidas 1:57.23
Sage Hurta-Klecker On Athletics Club 1:57.85
Raevyn Rogers NIKE / Nike Union Athletics Club 1:57.96
Olivia Baker Atlanta Track Club 1:58.05
Allie Wilson Atlanta Track Club 1:58.09
Nia Akins BROOKS Beasts TC 1:58.785 of the top-6 pre-meet entrants are in semi #1 . . . this should not happen . . . congratulations to Sage Hurta-Klecker who could run a few steps backwards blowing kisses to the crowd and still advance from semi #2 . . .
So who gets thru?
Ht 1: Rogers, Ajee, Akins
Ht 2: Hurta, Rose, Lipsey
Time Q's: Willis, Watson
Correction to above: semi #1 wildly overloaded.
The pbs and qualified marks in semi #1 are so much better than semi #2, that one or more major players will be eliminated that wouldn't be if they were in the 2nd semi.
Slowish race could see Akins winning while Raevyn or Ajee could be outkicked by Allie Wilson or even Roisin . . . and high probability of no qs from the heat.
Faster, more fitness-test race would likely send the Ajee-Raevyn-Nia Big 3 on to the finals while the 2 qs would come from this heat . . . maybe Roisin and Allie Wilson.
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Good choices, the reason I went with Watson is that no matter how bad her season is, she always makes the usatf final. So we guess a sb, another final and continued adidas employment.
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If I’m not mistaken seeding for the semifinals have nothing to do with PBs or SBs or reputations / past achievements. They are based solely on places and times from the prelims. Just the way prelims were run resulted in a “stacked” semi….
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Fan Out West wrote:
Gator bait wrote:
. . . The seeding scheme can't see reputations.
But it can see qualified marks from the Status of Entries chart . . . which shows semi #2 is wildly overloaded:
Ajee Wilson adidas 1:57.23
Sage Hurta-Klecker On Athletics Club 1:57.85
Raevyn Rogers NIKE / Nike Union Athletics Club 1:57.96
Olivia Baker Atlanta Track Club 1:58.05
Allie Wilson Atlanta Track Club 1:58.09
Nia Akins BROOKS Beasts TC 1:58.785 of the top-6 pre-meet entrants are in semi #1 . . . this should not happen . . . congratulations to Sage Hurta-Klecker who could run a few steps backwards blowing kisses to the crowd and still advance from semi #2 . . .
It's not that "this should not happen", it's the randomness that comes with the sport. They do serpentine heating. Once the heats are finished, everyone is now scattered for the next round/final irrelevant to their seed time, and even then, seed time is not always indicative of ability.
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It's almost like blaming the athletes for not oreinting themselves correctly in the prelims according to their SB to be sure the next round is as balanced as possible. It's not very practical.
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race for place wrote:
Club Runner at Kentucky wrote:
What if in this example Allie Wilson runs 1:59 and gets 5th. Can you honestly say that she's less of a contender than someone who gets 4th in another heat who hasn't broken 2:01 all year? That's what getting rid of little qs would cause.
I’m saying she would be less deserving of a spot in the final, 100%. And if she runs 2:01 for 4th I’d say she is more deserving than someone running 1:59 and losing to 4! runners in the other semi.
Imagine that. Allie Wilson 4th in 2:01 and doesn’t get in because of little qs.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
With Rose in the second semi, I think the bigger concern is someone in there runs 2-flat or 1:59high to get a distant 5th there while a blanket finish in the first heat wipes out a more qualified big name.
Played out somewhat but Allie Wilson simply didn’t run great. Wasn’t much of an injustice.
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race for place wrote:
Imagine that. Allie Wilson 4th in 2:01 and doesn’t get in because of little qs.
Nobody to blame but herself. The first and second place finishers in Allie’s semi were faster than their counterparts in the second semi.
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