This became a topic of discussion almost as soon as the race finished. I've literally seen both listed as the AR. TFN had 3:27 as the AR for a while, but it seems like they recently removed it. Last time I checked Wikipedia still has 3:27 as the AR. Is there any real consensus on this?
Yared 3:29.0 vs Lagat 3:27.4 - WHICH ONE IS THE AMERICAN RECORD?
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Lagat competed for Kenya 3 weeks after running 3:27.4. Ridiculous that was ever considered the AR
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This reminds me of the time when Mondo Duplantis set the "American Record" at the European Championships. Maybe that's why they changed the rules?
The rulebook used to state
An American Record, which shall be the best performance made by an American citizen or relay team composed entirely of U.S. citizens in an athletics event made within the United States or abroad.Now it reads (Rule 261):
An American Record, which shall be the best performance in an athletics event made by an individual or relay team such that the individual or each member of the relay team, at the time of the performance, is a citizen of the United States and is eligible to represent the United States in all levels of international competition821 -
The question is can you read Wiki?
3:26.34 NR Kenyan 2001
[...] his 3:27.40 win in the 1500 meters, on August 6, 2004, in Zurich, was not ratified as an American record.
Lagat's winning time of 3:29.40 at Rieti, Italy, on August 28, 2005, in the outdoor 1500 meters was ratified as his third new American record, improving upon the old record of 3:29.77, set by Sydney Maree in 1985.
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It wasn't ratified at the time, but it was ratified much later, coinciding with figuring out how to close the Mondo loophole.
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should be 3:29.30 ofc there, you can correct
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If you have Dual Citizenship. Your Records should be determined by which country you would back in World Cup. Change my mind.
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His A sample was Kenyan, and his B sample was American.
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It seems that USATF considers 3:27.40 the record (ridiculous) while World Athletics considers Nuguse’s 3:29.02 the new North American record. So I’m going with the international governing body, and Nuguse’s time will now have an “AR” beside it on his WA page which is good enough for me.
I hope the people who thought it was just Americans being silly homers now recognize that Nuguse is, in fact, a serious medal contender.
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Yep, exactly. 3:27.40 US NR, 3:29.30 AR, by AR we ALWAYS mean area record in athletics.
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IAAF Considers Nuguse the AR holder. Link to the American All time List by the IAAF. It has Lagat at 3:29.30 as the American Record.
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SlowTuohy wrote:
The question is can you read Wiki?
3:26.34 NR Kenyan 2001
[...] his 3:27.40 win in the 1500 meters, on August 6, 2004, in Zurich, was not ratified as an American record.
Lagat's winning time of 3:29.40 at Rieti, Italy, on August 28, 2005, in the outdoor 1500 meters was ratified as his third new American record, improving upon the old record of 3:29.77, set by Sydney Maree in 1985.
Yeah, I said last time I checked for a reason. Can you read?
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Huangdi wrote:
This became a topic of discussion almost as soon as the race finished. I've literally seen both listed as the AR. TFN had 3:27 as the AR for a while, but it seems like they recently removed it. Last time I checked Wikipedia still has 3:27 as the AR. Is there any real consensus on this?
I’m going with Wikipedia’s record because they are always correct, hahaha:
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Ofc it's not correct on Wiki Lagat's page. No one add this 2018 ratification and there is a typo.
Don't take North American records list. They do not exist, no one cares about. There is US list and NACAC area list (List of North, Central American and Caribbean records in athletics) - they are correct.
WA, not IAAF, doesn't consider Nuguse NR holder. On his profile there is AR(p) only while for his indoors records there is AR NR.
Top Lists often lists all performances, also those not ratified (very often for Euro U20 lists dominated by East Germans).38 -
John Wesley Harding wrote:
It seems that USATF considers 3:27.40 the record (ridiculous) while World Athletics considers Nuguse’s 3:29.02 the new North American record. So I’m going with the international governing body, and Nuguse’s time will now have an “AR” beside it on his WA page which is good enough for me.
I hope the people who thought it was just Americans being silly homers now recognize that Nuguse is, in fact, a serious medal contender.
I said this stuff weeks ago, on another thread and people gave me the "It is what it is " routine. And that's the way it goes sh-t. LOL
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I'm not sure that's quite what AR(p) means. I think it just means it's not ratified yet (because of course it's not, it happened today).
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Wayne from Winnetka wrote:
I'm not sure that's quite what AR(p) means. I think it just means it's not ratified yet (because of course it's not, it happened today).
P means provisional im fairly sure. Jakob has the same one next to his time as well. It will be removed once it is officially ratified which usually takes a few months.
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Ah I see what you meant and yes I agree
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Great to see the US 1500 record by an ACTUAL American and not one that changed nationality (especially having represented the other nation for years).
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FYI Iaaf is WA now
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