GRACE NAWOWUNA: 19 yrs old 29:47.43 100000m debut. I AM A FAN, you should be too

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  • Hillrunner55

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 4:00am EDT
    re: mbaihaulles

    mbaihaulles wrote:

    Another empty brain skull detected. Hillary or whatever you call yourself, does it mean if your brother is a murderer or a suicide bomber you're also one or you are as them? This general condemnation and petty sentiments shows your level of immaturity and juvenility from your end. Grow up man! Style up! and stop this nonsense of blanketing everyone with others deeds!

    That is a meaningless analogy. My brother takes his own path through life and his decisions around who he socialises and mixes with will be very different to mine. So it’s unlikely that if he commits a murder I would be implicated by being related.- However if my brother and I share an interest and a talent within the very same sport and train together to improve ourselves within said sport, then it is fair to conclude that our experience, attitude and morality around training & philosophical approach will be in strong parallel.

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    Armstronglivs

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 5:47am EDT
    re: Wise Old Man

    Wise Old Man wrote:

    But you don’t trust Hassan’s achievements, nor Gidey’s, nor Mu, etc. You pretty much don’t trust the achievement of any global medalist of East African origin, do you? So it’s not just Kenya.

    In the same way I didn't trust the former E Bloc athletes. The E Africans are now the worst dopers in the sport, even though doping will be found everywhere.

    I haven't said Mu is doping. I said she would have to dope to break the wr.

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    Armstronglivs

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 5:49am EDT
    re: ivs

    ivs wrote:

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    I am not a fan of a dirty sport. I am a fan of clean sport - a lost ideal.

    Then get lost and stop polluting thread after thread with your repetitive drivel.

    It is doping that pollutes the sport, not calling it out.

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    Armstronglivs

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 5:50am EDT
    re: Hillrunner55

    Hillrunner55 wrote:

    VIPAM wrote:

    No I did NOT discover Grace but I did research she posted:

    1.) Fastest debut by any female in the 10000m

    2.) First female junior to run sub 30 minutes in a 10000m

    The youngster doesn't mind leading late against any competition. She placed 4th this year at the senior World X Country Championship and even lead late in the race. She has only run 3 track races that can be verified and two were at Nairobi altitude.

    Her move in the Hengelo 10000m were master class when she attempted to win the race by surging to the lead after 9000m against Siffan Hassan. She will get better and hopefully develop a better kick in the last lap.

    Watch out for Grace NAWOWUNA she got the talent, question is how hungry and how long will she remain focused and in the sport.

    Vipam I applaud your support and enthusiasm for a young talent - and I usually share your views. However in this instance I must draw the connection that Nawowuna is the younger sister of Alice Aprot (fourth in Rio 10000m and 4th in London 10000m WC) who was busted for doping and is currently serving a 4 year ban…..

    A necessary but unsurprising perspective.

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    Armstronglivs

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 5:52am EDT
    re: El Keniano

    El Keniano wrote:

    Hillrunner55 wrote:

    Vipam I applaud your support and enthusiasm for a young talent - and I usually share your views. However in this instance I must draw the connection that Nawowuna is the younger sister of Alice Aprot (fourth in Rio 10000m and 4th in London 10000m WC) who was busted for doping and is currently serving a 4 year ban…..

    Do you really want to go down that road? The circumstances of Alice Aprot Nawowuna's ban have nothing to do with Grace, teenager. Just like Zane Robertson's don't concern twin brother Jake. Tirunesh and Genzebe Dibaba are sisters. Henrik Ingebrigtsen was on the Fancy Bears list. Oh, and King Charles is Jeffrey Epstein pal Prince Andrew's brother.

    Being related is neither here nor there.

    It is if they are not only family but elite runners coming from a country where doping is rife.

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    Armstronglivs

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 5:54am EDT
    re: mbaihaulles

    mbaihaulles wrote:

    Another empty brain skull detected. Hillary or whatever you call yourself, does it mean if your brother is a murderer or a suicide bomber you're also one or you are as them? This general condemnation and petty sentiments shows your level of immaturity and juvenility from your end. Grow up man! Style up! and stop this nonsense of blanketing everyone with others deeds!

    They both participate in the same sport in the same country where doping is a serious problem. Would you have made these kinds of excuses for E German or Russian athletes?

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    Armstronglivs

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 5:56am EDT
    re: mbaihaulles

    mbaihaulles wrote:

    Then if you don't want to take your fake lip evidence to WADA, you better shut up! Have you ever heard of the proverb "Frogs noises don't prevent a cow from drinking water from a stream" ????

    Your yapping on ALL Kenyan athletes as dopers has zero recognition for WADA to warrant the country's suspension. Keep yapping Mr. Envy aka Mr. Lies!!

    You haven't followed the constant parade of Kenyan doping violations. Kenya only just escaped a ban because they are trying to do something about their problem.

  • xxyxxyxxyxx

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 6:05am EDT
    re: Armstronglivs

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    ivs wrote:

    Then get lost and stop polluting thread after thread with your repetitive drivel.

    It is doping that pollutes the sport, not calling it out.

    It was not said you are polluting the sport. You are polluting thread after thread - imbecile.

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    mbaihaulles

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 6:26am EDT
    re: Hillrunner55

    Show evidence that Loibach and Aprot train together 🤷

    Loibach is many years younger than Aprot. Intact when Aprot was doing her exploits in athletics, Loibach was still very young. Do you really know what you're talking about or it's just blabbing unverifiable lies?

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    mbaihaulles

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 6:28am EDT
    re: Armstronglivs

    And no measure will be taken against Kenya. Let that sink in that envious skull of yours. Kenya is going nowhere as far as your blanketing and empty noise of her doping is concerned. Keep yapping at the top of your voice but NOTHING gonna happen.... Please reply to this thread 😂😂😂

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    Roro Sila

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 8:50am EDT
    re: VIPAM

    VIPAM wrote:

    Almaz Ayana was the exception to needing a kick to win a current World or Olympic title. First she didn't have recent in form Siffan or Gidey running the 10000m. But Almaz did have Genzebe Dibaba who was the WR in the 1500n and 2nd fastest ever at 5000m, what did Almaz do to win. Of decent couple of laps in the 5000m she dropped a 8:22 3000n to slowly break Dibaba before the final few laps.

    OR.

    John Ngugi 1988 Olympics 5000m took of after 3 laps running a 2:02 800m in the heat and then sprinting the straight aways and recovering on the curves.

    So, yes an endurance runner can win without a kick but the caliber of 5000/10000m runners they facing today it will be harder. But yes it can be done, so can Grace Nawowuna: yes but not AS likely but only time will tell?

    Yes, because in form Vivian Cheruiyot, Genzebe Dibaba, Hellen Obiri and Tirunesh Dibaba et al. were easy targets in the seasons of 2014-2017. Also remember they arestill faster than Hassan and everybody else (with the exception of the Ethiopian women who seem to will themselves to sub 14.20 clocking) over the 5k to date.

    Time will tell though, because no Worlds 10k has ever been won in under 30.

    Only at the Olympics do these ladies suddenly push themselves to go sub 30 to win Gold, silver and bronze Hehe

  • Yikes...

    Anonymous Poster

    11 months ago 06/07/2023 9:05am EDT
    re: Hillrunner55

    Hillrunner55 wrote:

    VIPAM wrote:

    No I did NOT discover Grace but I did research she posted:

    1.) Fastest debut by any female in the 10000m

    2.) First female junior to run sub 30 minutes in a 10000m

    The youngster doesn't mind leading late against any competition. She placed 4th this year at the senior World X Country Championship and even lead late in the race. She has only run 3 track races that can be verified and two were at Nairobi altitude.

    Her move in the Hengelo 10000m were master class when she attempted to win the race by surging to the lead after 9000m against Siffan Hassan. She will get better and hopefully develop a better kick in the last lap.

    Watch out for Grace NAWOWUNA she got the talent, question is how hungry and how long will she remain focused and in the sport.

    Vipam I applaud your support and enthusiasm for a young talent - and I usually share your views. However in this instance I must draw the connection that Nawowuna is the younger sister of Alice Aprot (fourth in Rio 10000m and 4th in London 10000m WC) who was busted for doping and is currently serving a 4 year ban…..

    It's hard to get excited about outlier performances anymore when facts like this come out

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 10:59am EDT
    re: xxyxxyxxyxx

    xxyxxyxxyxx wrote:

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    It is doping that pollutes the sport, not calling it out.

    It was not said you are polluting the sport. You are polluting thread after thread - imbecile.

    And the thread matters more than the pollution to the sport? Tiny minds focus on tiny matters.

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    Armstronglivs

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 11:01am EDT
    re: mbaihaulles

    mbaihaulles wrote:

    And no measure will be taken against Kenya. Let that sink in that envious skull of yours. Kenya is going nowhere as far as your blanketing and empty noise of her doping is concerned. Keep yapping at the top of your voice but NOTHING gonna happen.... Please reply to this thread 😂😂😂

    But there is something happening. Kenyan dopers are being busted on a regular basis. They made up 40% of total doping violations in the sport last year.

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    Armstronglivs

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 11:02am EDT
    re: Yikes...

    Yikes... wrote:

    Hillrunner55 wrote:

    Vipam I applaud your support and enthusiasm for a young talent - and I usually share your views. However in this instance I must draw the connection that Nawowuna is the younger sister of Alice Aprot (fourth in Rio 10000m and 4th in London 10000m WC) who was busted for doping and is currently serving a 4 year ban…..

    It's hard to get excited about outlier performances anymore when facts like this come out

    That's just the tip of that particular iceberg. Nothing coming out of Kenyan sport today can be trusted.

    This post was edited 5 minutes after it was posted.
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    Armstronglivs

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 11:07am EDT
    re: mbaihaulles

    mbaihaulles wrote:

    Show evidence that Loibach and Aprot train together 🤷

    Loibach is many years younger than Aprot. Intact when Aprot was doing her exploits in athletics, Loibach was still very young. Do you really know what you're talking about or it's just blabbing unverifiable lies?

    So the older sister was doping - in a country where doping has become the norm - and the younger sister (involved in the same sport) won't be influenced by any of that? Probability is not a concept you appear familiar with.

  • ivs

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 11:53am EDT
    re: Armstronglivs

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    xxyxxyxxyxx wrote:

    It was not said you are polluting the sport. You are polluting thread after thread - imbecile.

    And the thread matters more than the pollution to the sport? Tiny minds focus on tiny matters.

    This and other threads are for people to discuss different subjects, not for your daily verbal diarrhea.

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    douglas burke

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 1:58pm EDT
    re: ivs

    Nawowuna is running the Paris Diamond League 5000 on Friday, Her Personal best for 5000 is 15:27 can she Lower that by a Minute to 14:27?

  • Hdie

    Anonymous Poster

    11 months ago 06/07/2023 2:15pm EDT
    re: douglas burke

    douglas burke wrote:

    Nawowuna is running the Paris Diamond League 5000 on Friday, Her Personal best for 5000 is 15:27 can she Lower that by a Minute to 14:27?

    Well if Grace just ran a 10000m averaging 14:53xx per 5000m, it is safe to say she can run in the ballpark of 14:30 for sure, and likely faster.

    As for Armstronglivs, yes maybe she is doping. So what? Let us enjoy the sport and unless you are responsible for testing her, how productive is it for you to focus on this? Enjoy the sport if you can.

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    jeff tallon

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    11 months ago 06/07/2023 2:28pm EDT
    re: Armstronglivs

    i remember back in 1993 when wang junxia(the sifan hassan of her day) ran 10'000 in 29.31.78 and understandably there was a load of suspicion and an outcry.she also ran a sub 3.52 1500,and an 8.06 3000. Now we have a 19 year old kenyan running 29.47 in her first race.good grief !

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