The article was initially entiteld, "Zane Robertston!!!!" but we changed it to make it more descriptive. Here is our article on his bust and fake excuses (he said he went to a hospital for a COvid-19 vaccine but they gave him EPO instead) which points out that in 2016 he expressed frutation at the amount of doping in the sport:
This sport is slowly going to shxt because of doping. Pretty sure collegians are doing this shxt during the summers and fxckin around the system. Can’t trust anyone nowadays
Amazing post. So he told you in 2016 - 3 years before Kiprop was banned - that Kiprop was on EPO? Is that what you are saying. Wow. Please confirm.
I imagine he wasn't dirty the whole career. It's like living in some third wold country. If everyone else is paying bribes, you don't really advance if you don't as well.
I did it as I spent 10 years of my life supporting that school's running program. Just showing them some love. How is that elitism? I was at the state school of the ivies.
If Radcliffe doped, it's a similar story. Tried to do it clean forever, got tired of seeing known cheats win, joined the dark side but didn't get caught.
But all of these fast women's times make me think she may have been clean. She was just 15 years ahead of the game in terms of professionalism, coaching, etc.
If Radcliffe doped, it's a similar story. Tried to do it clean forever, got tired of seeing known cheats win, joined the dark side but didn't get caught.
But all of these fast women's times make me think she may have been clean. She was just 15 years ahead of the game in terms of professionalism, coaching, etc.
I don't think so. Most dopers become emboldened after getting away with microdosing after a while. They realize that isn't enough and start taking risks, hoping they won't be tested or can just get a short ban for whereabouts violations.
Most people with integrity don't suddenly lose it to risk it all, instead choosing to protect the accomplishments they have already achieved as their running career wanes with age.
“We were on the upper side of poor,” Zane Robertson said. “The bottom side of middle class.” The twins struggled to fit in at school, where they were frequent targets of not only their classmates but their teachers and deans as well. “The extreme part of the bullying, most of it, was from the teachers,” Robertson said. “We were different and even when we were 7 years old the teachers would tell the other boys not to hang out with us and then reward them with goody points for it.” The brothers began running at 14 and within three months both were national champions. “And we took flight from there,” Robertson said...... “In New Zealand, there’s this mentality to always put down anyone trying to be good,” Robertson said. “So no matter how successful you are they’re always going to put you down for trying to be good at something. Except rugby.”
What kind of adults pick on kids?
I still think there story is cool. We should have him on the podcast. It would be amazing if he'd name names.
Guy had great range - 3:53 in mile, 59:47 and 2:08.
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Their experience being bullied as kids helps to explain why he took EPO. More than anything, the twins just wanted to find a place where they were accepted and fit in. What’s the best way to fit in when living and training with elite distance runners in Kenya? Take EPO.
http://www.athletics.org.nz/Article.aspx?ID=595228/08/2009 2:55:02 p.m. New Zealand Olympic Marathon runner Liza Hunter Galvan faces a two year ban from sport following a Sports Tribunal of New Zealand ruling earlier today....
Huge bummer to see this. Always admired the Robertson twins when I was in high school and college.
But here is the problem...These dudes buy into that they have a future (a career) in running. Then, well maybe they are a notch below actually..so, what does one do?
Try PEDs and not get busted --->$$ (or at least survival)
Try PEDs and GET busted --->move on with life, get a job, go back to school, whatever.
Point is that there is no downside to cheating if you are a borderline athlete. And the system *incentivizes* cheating for these folks.
We either need to make the punishment far more severe (unlikely and probably unwarranted) OR give aspiring athletes a way to make ends meet.
"Cornell Grad." The hubris and elitism of BroJos is obnoxious.
I did it as I spent 10 years of my life supporting that school's running program. Just showing them some love. How is that elitism? I was at the state school of the ivies.
How is it showing them some love to establish their connection with a doper?
But here is the problem...These dudes buy into that they have a future (a career) in running. Then, well maybe they are a notch below actually..so, what does one do?
Try PEDs and not get busted --->$ (or at least survival)
Try PEDs and GET busted --->move on with life, get a job, go back to school, whatever.
Point is that there is no downside to cheating if you are a borderline athlete. And the system *incentivizes* cheating for these folks.
We either need to make the punishment far more severe (unlikely and probably unwarranted) OR give aspiring athletes a way to make ends meet.
Yes. Calculated risk. As people just mentioned on the last Shelburrito thread: she got all the way to a few years with 150,000 or more per year, plus a few records. Calculated risk, like Zane. They both get to keep their earnings, and now move on to something else; the lady cheater as grad student, the dude, we'll see, but it was certainly worth it.
Plus the majority who didn't get caught are laughing all the way to the bank. We either need harsher punishment, including paying back the ill-gotten earnings, or much better testing, or just give up on anti doping and let them all all their stuff.
Dude - really? Morals? The whole concept of morality relies on how societal accountability of "right" and "wrong" behavior - you think living in Kenya in a culture of doping in distance running creates any accountability between right and wrong?
And do you honestly think this guy even cares? He had his moments. Stood on podiums, broke records and cashed checks. He has the same mindset as all dopers - that everyone else is so it's not immoral in any way - that's the mental gymnastic. Therefore, as I said, absolutely nothing to lose.