Title. They're in the round of 16 now and have made the NCAA XC meet 2 years in a row (admittedly, they only were 30th and 23rd). I know that their academics are a draw to many recruits, but they never were this competitive only 5 years ago (when I was at a 'lower tier' Ivy)
You must not have been following Ivy athletics that closely. The Bill Bradley-led Tigers were a Final Four team, 'way back in the day.
And Princeton t&f has always been able to draw a few students who were somewhat, um, marginal academically. And CMcC was there a lot more than five years ago.
Shucks, go back far enough and you've got Bill Bonthron, who had the WR in the 1500.
In any case, Fred Samara and his staff do a wonderful job of recruiting and coaching top athletes in track and field and cross country. They are often contenders at the national level.
They haven't been that good in basketball the last 10 years but they were always a good basketball program with an offense named after them. . They made the tournament almost every year through the 90s and won a few games.
You must not have been following Ivy athletics that closely. The Bill Bradley-led Tigers were a Final Four team, 'way back in the day.
And Princeton t&f has always been able to draw a few students who were somewhat, um, marginal academically. And CMcC was there a lot more than five years ago.
Shucks, go back far enough and you've got Bill Bonthron, who had the WR in the 1500.
In any case, Fred Samara and his staff do a wonderful job of recruiting and coaching top athletes in track and field and cross country. They are often contenders at the national level.
Knowing who Bill Bradley is - from the 1960s, or Bill Bonthron -from the 1930s! - would be studying history, not "following Ivy athletics that closely".
In more modern times, I think the Ivy League disadvantage of not offering scholarships has disappeared as most of those schools now offer 100% need-based aid. For wealthier families that don’t qualify, the Ivy name is still often worth more to them than free tuition somewhere else; just look at what rich families are willing to pay to get admission through side doors and back doors. And you can expect the Ivies to get even more competitive if this lawsuit to ban their no-scholarship pact is successful.
In more modern times, I think the Ivy League disadvantage of not offering scholarships has disappeared as most of those schools now offer 100% need-based aid. For wealthier families that don’t qualify, the Ivy name is still often worth more to them than free tuition somewhere else; just look at what rich families are willing to pay to get admission through side doors and back doors. And you can expect the Ivies to get even more competitive if this lawsuit to ban their no-scholarship pact is successful.
The Ivy League schools can offer admissions "slots" to students with lower GPA and SAT scores. If they offer these slots to low-income students, they basically get full tuition paid for. This means many Ivy League schools get nearly unlimited scholarships because they can guarantee entry (and financial aid) to whoever they want.
That along with parents that would gladly pay 80k per year just so they can wear a Yale or Princeton shirt to Whole Foods.
The Ivy League schools can offer admissions "slots" to students with lower GPA and SAT scores. If they offer these slots to low-income students, they basically get full tuition paid for. This means many Ivy League schools get nearly unlimited scholarships because they can guarantee entry (and financial aid) to whoever they want.
That along with parents that would gladly pay 80k per year just so they can wear a Yale or Princeton shirt to Whole Foods.
To some degree true, but w/ 2 HUGE exceptions:
1 - the ivies severely limit #of preferred admissions slots, as well as how low they will go on grades/test scores. (This is why they generally are not competitive in football / basketball.
2 - what happens if kid they want is middle class? Well, those kids take full schols at Stanford, Notres Dame, Duke, Michigan etc. (This is why they are not competitive in other sports)
Pete Carril was a legendary basketball coach at Princeton. They regularly won the Ivy League and were a "Cinderella" team in the NCAA basketball tournament.
Pete Carril was a legendary basketball coach at Princeton. They regularly won the Ivy League and were a "Cinderella" team in the NCAA basketball tournament.
The Ivy League schools can offer admissions "slots" to students with lower GPA and SAT scores. If they offer these slots to low-income students, they basically get full tuition paid for. This means many Ivy League schools get nearly unlimited scholarships because they can guarantee entry (and financial aid) to whoever they want.
That along with parents that would gladly pay 80k per year just so they can wear a Yale or Princeton shirt to Whole Foods.
To some degree true, but w/ 2 HUGE exceptions:
1 - the ivies severely limit #of preferred admissions slots, as well as how low they will go on grades/test scores. (This is why they generally are not competitive in football / basketball.
2 - what happens if kid they want is middle class? Well, those kids take full schols at Stanford, Notres Dame, Duke, Michigan etc. (This is why they are not competitive in other sports)
this is wrong. top basketball and football players don't go to the ivy league because the ivy league will actually make them take (and pass) real classes. Also they want to contend for national titles so they can get drafted.
the teams have a lot of preferred admissions slots, but you'll need like 1200 SAT -vwhich is actually really low but still excludes 90% of basketball and football players.
Marginal still entails about 1300 SAT - that’s the lowest I’ve heard you can have. Obviously far below their average but it’s not like a 800 SAT football player