I found out after high school several kids on the football team were doping, same as my college track team. Its almost too easy too dope....anyone been to the pharmacies in mexico lately? You can buy a drink and roids at the airport before your flight.
Australian coaches will be scouting the schools acrooss the land again for the next Herb Elliott, the next Cameron Myers, instead of Sudanese refugee camps for 'natural born runners' who need James 'B Sample' Templeton to rescue their careers.
That's obviously a false analogy as Centro was clearly not same runner that won Oly Gold.
Ryun beat Snell less than a year after he won Gold. Does that mean Ryun was doping? There are a lot of people who think that with modern shoes and professional pacing he was capable of low 3:50s in HS. I don't know anything about this Aussie kid but there are actually athletes with a "natural genetic advantage" and I will reserve judgement until there some more evidence.
I wasn't comparing him with Centro. We are each entitled to an opinion but I don't buy that that training explains how a 16 year old is almost as fast as Snell and Elliott were. Those champions were expertly coached and trained hard. But they were barely faster than a schoolboy today who is just in the other side of puberty, as I said. But he isn't the exception - which makes sense in an era rife with pharmaceuticals.
Herb Elliott today would run at least 5-6 seconds faster than he did back then due to shoes & track alone. Try again.
Impressive result. Probably worth around 3:38? Anyone know when he turns 17? Curious if he will be able to take down Jakob's age record of 3:39. I remember he missed it by like .3 seconds a month ago or so.
Would be impressive if he did, however it should be noted that Jakob then ran 3:31 at age 18.
I wasn't comparing him with Centro. We are each entitled to an opinion but I don't buy that that training explains how a 16 year old is almost as fast as Snell and Elliott were. Those champions were expertly coached and trained hard. But they were barely faster than a schoolboy today who is just in the other side of puberty, as I said. But he isn't the exception - which makes sense in an era rife with pharmaceuticals.
Herb Elliott today would run at least 5-6 seconds faster than he did back then due to shoes & track alone. Try again.
I think you should try again. 5-6 seconds is fanciful nonsense. Do you think he was running in gumboots in a swamp?
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I found out after high school several kids on the football team were doping, same as my college track team. Its almost too easy too dope....anyone been to the pharmacies in mexico lately? You can buy a drink and roids at the airport before your flight.
An inconvenient truth. But one that is impossible for naive running fans to accept. I'm sure if he had run 3.55 at age 15 - or even 14 - that, too, would be accepted as "natural". The only thing that can't be accepted is the likelihood of doping in a doped sport.
Steve Ovett was setting age records in the UK as a young teenager - but mainly over the 400 and 800. But nothing equivalent to a 3.55 mile. He had yet to graduate to the longer distance.
Steve Cram was also a prodigy. He ran a sub-3.58 mile just before his 18th birthday.
Steve Ovett was setting age records in the UK as a young teenager - but mainly over the 400 and 800. But nothing equivalent to a 3.55 mile. He had yet to graduate to the longer distance.
Steve Cram was also a prodigy. He ran a sub-3.58 mile just before his 18th birthday.
Jim Ryun, WAAYYYY before those guys, ran 3:55 just after his 18th in 1965, beating all-time great Peter Snell FTW. Is Myers another Ryun? Time will tell.
This drug discussion is nuts. Jim Ryun ran a 3:59 flat mile when he was 6 months older than Myers is now, and nobody says that Ryun was doped. Now Myers runs a 3:55.4 that isn't much below Ryun's mark, when you adjust for the fact that Ryun was running in leather shoes on dirt. One second faster, perhaps, or 1 1/2 seconds. Pretty close.
So Myers can't be slightly faster than Ryun at a slightly younger age, when Myers has probably been running for a decade now and Ryun was only 2 1/2 years into his running career, unless Myers has been doping? That is nuts. It really is.
This drug discussion is nuts. Jim Ryun ran a 3:59 flat mile when he was 6 months older than Myers is now, and nobody says that Ryun was doped. Now Myers runs a 3:55.4 that isn't much below Ryun's mark, when you adjust for the fact that Ryun was running in leather shoes on dirt. One second faster, perhaps, or 1 1/2 seconds. Pretty close.
So Myers can't be slightly faster than Ryun at a slightly younger age, when Myers has probably been running for a decade now and Ryun was only 2 1/2 years into his running career, unless Myers has been doping? That is nuts. It really is.
3:55 is a lot different than 3:59. Almost 4 seconds. No, I don't think he's doping. I think he's a 4:00 miler in shoes that make him a 3:55 miler.
This drug discussion is nuts. Jim Ryun ran a 3:59 flat mile when he was 6 months older than Myers is now, and nobody says that Ryun was doped. Now Myers runs a 3:55.4 that isn't much below Ryun's mark, when you adjust for the fact that Ryun was running in leather shoes on dirt. One second faster, perhaps, or 1 1/2 seconds. Pretty close.
So Myers can't be slightly faster than Ryun at a slightly younger age, when Myers has probably been running for a decade now and Ryun was only 2 1/2 years into his running career, unless Myers has been doping? That is nuts. It really is.
Plus Ryun ran a 3:39.0 1500m later that same month.
Steve Smythe looks again at great milers of the past and makes perhaps a surprising choice as the world’s fastest ever finisher, often overlooked as he was at his peak well over half a century ago
This drug discussion is nuts. Jim Ryun ran a 3:59 flat mile when he was 6 months older than Myers is now, and nobody says that Ryun was doped. Now Myers runs a 3:55.4 that isn't much below Ryun's mark, when you adjust for the fact that Ryun was running in leather shoes on dirt. One second faster, perhaps, or 1 1/2 seconds. Pretty close.
So Myers can't be slightly faster than Ryun at a slightly younger age, when Myers has probably been running for a decade now and Ryun was only 2 1/2 years into his running career, unless Myers has been doping? That is nuts. It really is.
Plus Ryun ran a 3:39.0 1500m later that same month.
Where did he run 3:39? Not saying he didn't just can't find it. Fastest I have him prior to '65 is 3:44. Even still, in the last 2 years, the US alone has had 4 U20 run 3:40 or faster (4 in the US top 10). Predict next 2 years everyone in the US top 10 U20 will be replaced by post super shoe athletes.
