Reality check- 18 guys ran 2:08:16 or faster at Seville Marathon over weekend. 1 ran that fast in US last year

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1 year ago 02/21/2023 1:30pm EST

re: Just Another Hobby Jogger

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
Most top Ameircans run in Boston and NYC for betetr pay days.
If some of them go to Dubai, Seville, Berlin, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Valencia or whatever flat course they could find, they can record faster times. But why would they do that unless they have a good chance to break AR? Do they get time bonus for 2:07:xx? They are professional runners and they are supposed to maximize their income potential.

I think they do get time bonuses (a pro I know does). But how much would it cost a 2:11 guy to travel to these races and get acclimated to the time change?

They're not getting appearance fees running 2:11.

I think a race like Chicago should be set up for as many guys as possible with a few pacers at various levels.

Just get them there and give them a hotel room.

1 year ago 02/21/2023 1:57pm EST

re: wejo

Who was the 2:08 pace group leader ? Maybe us races should hire him

1 year ago 02/21/2023 2:21pm EST

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Alberto's career was also over for all intents and purposes when he was 24, so probably not the best example to follow.

1 year ago 02/21/2023 2:24pm EST

re: This is Jim Kiler

This is Jim Kiler wrote:
2:10 is still fast for US marathoners. Just like it was in the 70s.

But actually with the new super shoes, is todays' US 2:10 marathoner really the same as a 2:14 US guy from the 70's?

1 year ago 02/21/2023 2:28pm EST

re: runn

runn wrote:
I think a race like Chicago should be set up for as many guys as possible with a few pacers at various levels.
Just get them there and give them a hotel room.

Of course every other year Chicago is a sauna ...

... but this is an important point. There is no structure in place that helps guys run 2:08, 2:09, whatever the barrier du jour is. There's a rabbit coming through in 62:30 ... several minutes of no man's land, incipient carnage, etc then finally a couple Americans who have, on their own accord, decided to work together to come through in 64:30-65:00.

Hell, when Ritzenhein ran 2:07 in Chicago he had to pay his high school teammate to take him through 30k. It really speaks to the lack of professionalism in US athletics. Agents, shoe companies, governing body (ha!) somebody should pull their collective head out.

1 year ago 02/21/2023 2:30pm EST

re: chgray

chgray wrote:
But actually with the new super shoes, is todays' US 2:10 marathoner really the same as a 2:14 US guy from the 70's?

Dick Mahoney ran 2:14 delivering the mail. Give him a carbon-plated shoe and a navel-gazing gig like so many of today's "pros" seem to require to even contemplate running twice a day and there's your 2:09 guy. A lot of the current crop are just soft.

1 year ago 02/21/2023 10:57pm EST

re: TeteDLO

TeteDLO wrote:
Seville had amazing depth on a great course in great weather . 17 of the 18 guys at sub 2.08.16 are from drug countries.

Fixed that up for you.

1 year ago 02/22/2023 12:30am EST

re: wejo

But its the east African games hun.

What times did u expect??

1 year ago 02/22/2023 12:54am EST

re: adobe

adobe wrote:
runn wrote:
I think a race like Chicago should be set up for as many guys as possible with a few pacers at various levels.
Just get them there and give them a hotel room.
Of course every other year Chicago is a sauna ...
... but this is an important point. There is no structure in place that helps guys run 2:08, 2:09, whatever the barrier du jour is. There's a rabbit coming through in 62:30 ... several minutes of no man's land, incipient carnage, etc then finally a couple Americans who have, on their own accord, decided to work together to come through in 64:30-65:00.
Hell, when Ritzenhein ran 2:07 in Chicago he had to pay his high school teammate to take him through 30k. It really speaks to the lack of professionalism in US athletics. Agents, shoe companies, governing body (ha!) somebody should pull their collective head out.

That's a good point. The American women who have been breaking the AR have had reliable male pacers. But Emily Sisson and Keira D'Amato (and Sara Hall) have all been going for it, planning it out and calling their shot.

Scott Fauble's 2:08:52 in Boston could translate into a 2:05 in London, but is he going to run for the AR? Nah, he's going to run Boston again and place worse than ever cause this year's field is deep. But he'll get a good appearance fee and go for first American.

Maybe Chicago in the fall is the time for Americans to give it a go. Joe Klecker looks too big to run sub 2:06 even if he starts after Paris. At this point, maybe just wait for Tirunesh Dibaba's son to grow up. She showed up in Houston and now is going to be at the Ten in SoCal. Are they living in the States maybe?

1 year ago 02/22/2023 7:28am EST

re: wejo

wejo wrote:
It's crazy how we're not seeing faster times yet by the US men. We are very fast at 5k, 10k, etc.
But our half and marathon records were set in the 2000s.
:www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?th...

this is bc they’re not doing The Athlete Special’s Magic Training of 12 x 800m at 5:20 mile pace

1 year ago 02/22/2023 8:23am EST

re: huth

huth wrote:
That's a good point. The American women who have been breaking the AR have had reliable male pacers. But Emily Sisson and Keira D'Amato (and Sara Hall) have all been going for it, planning it out and calling their shot.
Scott Fauble's 2:08:52 in Boston could translate into a 2:05 in London, but is he going to run for the AR? Nah, he's going to run Boston again and place worse than ever cause this year's field is deep. But he'll get a good appearance fee and go for first American.
Maybe Chicago in the fall is the time for Americans to give it a go. Joe Klecker looks too big to run sub 2:06 even if he starts after Paris. At this point, maybe just wait for Tirunesh Dibaba's son to grow up. She showed up in Houston and now is going to be at the Ten in SoCal. Are they living in the States maybe?

Agree with your point about Fauble's complacency being the one-eyed man in the land of the blind, but there is no way 2:09 (almost) in Boston is worth 2:05 in London. Fauble is a 2:07 guy on his day of days.

Also, Dibaba's kid has some decent genetics on the paternal side ...

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