Suggesting that I wrote what I did because I might have skeletons in my closet is not an accurate, specific point. It's an insult. You might want to work on your reading comprehension.
My comprehension is fine. You’re way on the wrong side of this issue. Pick another topic.
Suggesting that I wrote what I did because I might have skeletons in my closet is not an accurate, specific point. It's an insult. You might want to work on your reading comprehension.
My comprehension is fine. You’re way on the wrong side of this issue. Pick another topic.
In two posts I've said that I'm glad Babington has been banned and that the sport is better off without him. That leaves me "way on the wrong side of this issue?" How so?
Suggesting that I wrote what I did because I might have skeletons in my closet is not an accurate, specific point. It's an insult. You might want to work on your reading comprehension.
My comprehension is fine. You’re way on the wrong side of this issue. Pick another topic.
I think you and "GentlemanSavage" are over-reacting to things HRE did not say. HRE consistently said what Babington did was bad, both then and now. For avoidance of all doubt, I consider that the "right side".
HRE mainly said public perception of "sexual assault" has changed since the '70s. I provided a (Wikipedia) quote confirming the what and why of that: "Since the 1970s, many changes have occurred in the perception of sexual assault due in large part to the feminist movement and its public characterization of rape as a crime of power and control rather than purely of sex."
He also said " standards in place at the time, ... were nearly all from a man's perspective", something which seems consistent with "GentlemanSavage" saying: "Babington not getting canned by Wellsley is good ol’ boys network ".
You said "accurate, specific points." -- I re-read "GentlemanSavage's" posts, and didn't see many points accurate and specific to what HRE said. He started by disagreeing with "not as despicable then", by saying "it was despicable then". These aren't contrary. They both can be right. Then he followed with an anecdote about another coach he knew, and extrapolations of what he thought HRE would say next, not based on accurate, specific points, but on "tone".
Maybe I missed them. Can you specifically point out the "accurate, specific points"?
Wow. Kudos to Lynn for helping him get banned and for now going public.
I still can't believe in the year 1998 that after he admitted to doing the following that Wellesley let him back on campus.
The woman and her parents reported Babington to Wellesley College. Babington acknowledged to the school that he kissed her, fondled her, provided her alcohol while she was underage, and used marijuana in her presence, he said.
The article to me shows you what a responsibility and honor it is to be a coach. They had a guest speaker come to Cornell and address the athletic department one time. I wish I remembered the guy's name but the speech was titled something like "They call you coach" and then he just described how impactful you are on the athletes lives. You see them almost every day - more than their parents in college, etc. Don't abuse that title.
Well it was abused here.
Did anyone read the retirement article in the Globe from 2013. His athletes, assistant coach Alison Wade and the author were full of praise for him. But one other thing struck me.
In 1979 he left the legal profession and became assistant coach at Harvard, before taking a hiatus.
What was the reason behind that hiatus? What are the odds that Harvard just had him leave to cover something up and never told anyone? Does anyone know how long he was at Harvard?
Also why would a guy who was coaching world record holders and world xc champs take a job at Wellesley? It seems like this dude was emotionally stunted and in need of 25 young women to idolize him.
One other line from his retirement article stunned me.
When Boots won the NCAA mile, “I ran up to him and gave him a hug,” she said.
She’s not sure if she was happier for him or herself. He had guided her that far. “I wanted to make him proud of me,” she added.
What? That's not healthy. Me and the Cornell women's coach used to really look down upon coaches that made it about them. He heard a coach yelling once, "Do it for me." What the hell? That's not healthy.
Thanks for posting this rojo. This whole situation, which I also read about at Fast Women, just makes me realize how bad people can get away with anything if they have enough connections and power.