Woody Kincaid- Jerry (Schumacher) told me "I think you're throwing away your career by leaving"

You are taking a generalized comment by Kincaid and grossly misunderstanding it. You clearly don't understand how training works and have no context as to how Schumacher or Smith prepare their athletes. There is plenty of publicly available information and you haven't read a word of it.

It'd be a pretty sly, passive aggressive move (so right up Flanagan's alley) to heap praise on Kincaid at this point given that anyone with half a brain knows the 12:51 is him reaping the benefits of several years of BTC training. Same deal as when Ritzenhein ran 12:56 four months after switching coaches. Alberto even said, "Brad Hudson baked the cake, I just iced it." Mike Smith is licking the frosting from the spoon as we speak baby.

You don’t know what you ate talking about.

I think Gault did a good job on the interview, but he acted surprised by the news that Woody's father had passed away, and so does Wejo here. "First he revealed his dad died last year." Um, Woody did not "reveal" this news. Runner's World had features on Woody's dying father making it to Trials and then watching the Olympics from home in his final months of life. And the news of Michael's death was on social media when it happened in November 2021. I wish the LetsRun guys would read the journalism that is being put out by other outlets:

runnersworld.com

Woody Kincaid Made the Olympic Team in 2 Events While His Dad Battled Terminal Lung Cancer

Woody Kincaid’s dad, Mike, died of mesothelioma the day after Thanksgiving.

Link:www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a...

How often pro runners set 5K pb's at age 30?

Did he just not do the best possible training all this time?

Why don’t you enlighten us?

Maybe I'm miss remembering this, but didn't Woody set his prior PR (12:58) right after an altitude camp? Perhaps he is just a super responder to altitude training. Would sort of make since given the physiology he's displayed.

I wonder if Schumacher congratulated him?

Or it’s simply taking the high road and recognizing the accomplishments of a guy that built his career with your team. Not passive aggressive at all.

One difference - NAU is in Flagstaff, incidentally where BTC is currently training. Jerry is in Eugene and can't come with the team to altitude.

You're obviously one of those types who wants to appear intelligent by saying something harsh with no basis whatsoever. Not a word I said was in any way inaccurate and your comment does not in any way correct anything I said. I have been reading this stuff about how Schumacher and Smith prepare their athletes for a long time, to the extent that Jerry workouts are even reported. (The Alan Webb notebook was one case). I'm reporting a specific comment made by Kincaid. He said he was doing double thresholds by himself and then doing them with Smith, with the addition of specific work relative to races. That's just a fact. He also compared those workouts, six miles of intervals at T in the morning and evening three times a week, to Jerry's tempos--not to his other workouts. Jerry gives other workouts than 10M tempos. That is what Woody compared to the double thresholds, similar mileage but all at once, not in two sessions with intervals. Jerry also has them do a lot of long track sessions, and Marc Scott also talked about very high speed workouts as well recently. If you can't name a single thing that is inaccurate, then you have added nothing.

Woody's frequent injuries and inability to finish BTC workouts were also widely reported, so the health component is accurate as well.

But he couldn't stay healthy long enough at BTC to do this. That's not just icing. By not adapting to Woody's injury history, Jerry prevented this from happening. Salazar deserves more credit for Ritz's performances as well, because Hudson wasn't optimizing his training at all. Salazar had Ritz do the high speed necessary to run 12:56 (hitting 56s in practice, which he'd never done before, was one thing that Ritz mentioned at the time). Jerry built Woody fast but creaky. Time away from Jerry on a healthier workout routine allowed him to run 12:51.

Grant and Woody are very good friends. Outside of running, they traveled together in Europe when season was over.

You don’t know what you are talking about.

Well actually it seemed at first Woody was just going to train himself. So I could see Jerry saying that's a bad idea. Woody even says, I never wrote a plan for myself so I just did double thresholds bc that's what I could do. Thankfully it's all working out for him,. But it's possible it might not have, but seems like he's happy with Mike smiths group which is good.

We also need to keep in mind woody could be sugarcoating things. Pro athletes lie in interviews all the time unfortunately.

Very happy for his 1251 though and all the critique of him in this thread is idiotic.

LOL Jerry always gets the benefit of the doubt on here.

Who ran 1251... Yeah must be a real lazy guy... Lol.

Curious if the wad comment is somehow about his comments, or his time? Because if it’s the latter, the list of runners (and especially US runners) who retired with faster PRs is really short. It’s a REALLY good lifetime wad, of course.

I thought Gault's best line of questioning was about his mentality as a kicker. It gets into Woody's self-definition as such, and I think it made him actually consider if he *could* impart a little more hurt earlier on in races, stay in closer contact...and still be a kicker. The ability to kick off an even faster pace, where you are nearer to the leaders, is top of game stuff.