-Not that Geordie needs to in a workout, but if you can't stick your nose in it to run a half second faster in a practice mile how could I trust you staying with the pack in a hot 3K/5K race?
Geordie might be the biggest talent based what the Coffee Club boys shared on the last podcast. The guy still only trains 5 times a week. I hope one day we'll be able to witness his full potential.
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Living and training at altitude does not eliminate altitude conversions. If you're Kip Keino and you were born at altitude and you train there and your ancestors have lived at altitude for roughly 500-600 years, you're going to have a huge advantage over sea level runners at altitude but you're not going to be able to drop 8-10 seconds at sea level, whereas if you're guys who may not have grown up at altitude and whose ancestors were flatlanders, then you need to drop 5-6 seconds or more to convert to sea level. These guys are rolling. If Beamish couldn't stick with these guys, that does not indicate he's mentally weak or unfit. These guys are very, very good and in really good shape. Klecker is well ahead of where he was at the end of last season when he might have been fit enough to break 13 if he had been able to get in the right race (they were looking). Olli Hoare was Commonwealth Champ and ran 3:30 flat to win. Mario Garcia Romo was 4th at World's and ran 3:30. And Nuguse is a level above where he was last year. He looked smooth and more powerful in the legs>not kind of stretching out awkwardly with each stride anymore. Each of these guys ahead of Beamish is on target for a big season.
1) The vibe: everyone just lines up and gets after it
2) The transparency: sharing their pursuit of excellence. When's the last time you saw a video like this from BTC?
3) The numbers: who wouldn't want to see this group rip a 4xmile?
4) The freaking Goose: smooooth like buttah
5) Ollie and Joe just cranking along in his wake.
6) The enthusiasm: look at Dathan getting after it!
7) It pretty clearly is a race simulation: At the very beginning, Dathan says "this is the pace we're requesting in a couple weeks." Is that Millrose? If so, for the 3k?
I guess all those free time trial videos on BTC's youtube channel don't exist?
A lot of times it comes down to what their shoe contract incentivizes. I was on a Jr XC team years ago and the set up was explained to me. The Torres brothers both raced world XC because Reebok gave them a bonus for every national team/ world champs event. Mottram ran, same thing. Nike wanted him to run.
I would bet their OAC contract doesn’t pay them for a world XC appearance but may have track time bonuses.
Living and training at altitude does not eliminate altitude conversions. If you're Kip Keino and you were born at altitude and you train there and your ancestors have lived at altitude for roughly 500-600 years, you're going to have a huge advantage over sea level runners at altitude but you're not going to be able to drop 8-10 seconds at sea level, whereas if you're guys who may not have grown up at altitude and whose ancestors were flatlanders, then you need to drop 5-6 seconds or more to convert to sea level. These guys are rolling. If Beamish couldn't stick with these guys, that does not indicate he's mentally weak or unfit. These guys are very, very good and in really good shape. Klecker is well ahead of where he was at the end of last season when he might have been fit enough to break 13 if he had been able to get in the right race (they were looking). Olli Hoare was Commonwealth Champ and ran 3:30 flat to win. Mario Garcia Romo was 4th at World's and ran 3:30. And Nuguse is a level above where he was last year. He looked smooth and more powerful in the legs>not kind of stretching out awkwardly with each stride anymore. Each of these guys ahead of Beamish is on target for a big season.
I’d disagree regarding Klecker’s “fitness” and “able to get in the right race” last year. He had every chance to crack 13 in Brussels in September, but did not. Agree very much with your altitude synopsis, however. Well stated.
What are you people saying. This is a stupid impressive workout. Are Klecker and Hoare not the only two people to have broken 4 minutes in the state of Colorado (in a race setting I might add)? And now they are fit enough to not only run 3:57 1600m in a workout, but it is at altitude and on a flat indoor track if I'm not wrong? What is the NCAA altitude/flat track conversion for that time? Like close to 3:50-52? And they had 4 other teammates right up with them? And then still run some pretty quick 2k's and 200's after with relatively short rest after? My ass 75 other college kids could do this.
What are you people saying. This is a stupid impressive workout. Are Klecker and Hoare not the only two people to have broken 4 minutes in the state of Colorado (in a race setting I might add)? And now they are fit enough to not only run 3:57 1600m in a workout, but it is at altitude and on a flat indoor track if I'm not wrong? What is the NCAA altitude/flat track conversion for that time? Like close to 3:50-52? And they had 4 other teammates right up with them? And then still run some pretty quick 2k's and 200's after with relatively short rest after? My ass 75 other college kids could do this.
yeah but a couple random posters up above said the workout was easy, so Q.E.D.
Beamish started a couple seconds behind Klecker and finished a couple seconds behind Klecker, not sure why everyone seems to think he ran slower. Nuguse probably split the fastest (3:56 high or 3:57 low) as he started in third and moved to first. Hoare and Klecker split 3:57 Beamish moved from 5th to 4th and split 3:57. Romo slid from 4th to last so his split was probably 3:58 high
-Not that Geordie needs to in a workout, but if you can't stick your nose in it to run a half second faster in a practice mile how could I trust you staying with the pack in a hot 3K/5K race?
Geordie might be the biggest talent based what the Coffee Club boys shared on the last podcast. The guy still only trains 5 times a week. I hope one day we'll be able to witness his full potential.
I agree, his kick is vicious, we'll see some great results, the entire OAC seems to be clicking too. How jealous is Nike getting? :)
What are you people saying. This is a stupid impressive workout. Are Klecker and Hoare not the only two people to have broken 4 minutes in the state of Colorado (in a race setting I might add)? And now they are fit enough to not only run 3:57 1600m in a workout, but it is at altitude and on a flat indoor track if I'm not wrong? What is the NCAA altitude/flat track conversion for that time? Like close to 3:50-52? And they had 4 other teammates right up with them? And then still run some pretty quick 2k's and 200's after with relatively short rest after? My ass 75 other college kids could do this.
Workout is impressive. But NCAA needs to reevaluate their conversion unless we are to believe they just ran a controlled 3:51 1600m
Living and training at altitude does not eliminate altitude conversions. If you're Kip Keino and you were born at altitude and you train there and your ancestors have lived at altitude for roughly 500-600 years, you're going to have a huge advantage over sea level runners at altitude but you're not going to be able to drop 8-10 seconds at sea level, whereas if you're guys who may not have grown up at altitude and whose ancestors were flatlanders, then you need to drop 5-6 seconds or more to convert to sea level. These guys are rolling. If Beamish couldn't stick with these guys, that does not indicate he's mentally weak or unfit. These guys are very, very good and in really good shape. Klecker is well ahead of where he was at the end of last season when he might have been fit enough to break 13 if he had been able to get in the right race (they were looking). Olli Hoare was Commonwealth Champ and ran 3:30 flat to win. Mario Garcia Romo was 4th at World's and ran 3:30. And Nuguse is a level above where he was last year. He looked smooth and more powerful in the legs>not kind of stretching out awkwardly with each stride anymore. Each of these guys ahead of Beamish is on target for a big season.
To be clear there is *some* conversion. I just said the NCAA ones are excessive for these guys. So we agree pretty much.
Beamish physically could stay with these guys and he runs the same as all but Nuguse. However, he doesn’t latch onto the pace with many chances to and that is always my concern with him. I mean yes that he can’t really train fully is a large concern as well. But you can say this is me attacking his mental fitness, but he does drift in races. So seeing him do it with no real reason to do it in practice is just making me think it’ll happen in faster races. Ritz is rightfully encouraging him to bridge the gap, but it’s just not what he does.
I could do all of that except for the mile. So to me it looks like a mile time trial, a near full recovery (10 minutes is quite a bit), 3 x tempo/LT 2k's, and then a few 200's around mile pace again. This tells me that they are in roughly 3:52-3:54 mile race shape. That's very good, but the rest of the workout is modest, it's all about the mile to start it off.
The times themselves don't really tell the whole story.
In college, one of our staple XC workouts was 6x6mins @ threshold w/ 90s rest. By the end of the third rep, you legs and lungs are burning pretty good. I couldn't imagine doing an all-out mile race, and then having to start that workout with less rest 10 minutes later. This workout was impressive.
This was a race immediately followed by a workout. The Ingebrigstens do this all the time. Rupp did it all the time. Something about the muscle fibers being super responsive to more work rate after a race.