I don't think these UCLA results show much of Brosnan's ability yet.
Give him some time to settle in, recruit, etc. This result was probably off the coattails of the old administration.
Would it be fair to compare UCLA and Cal Poly to determine coaching ability? Both programs hired coaches within a couple of weeks of each other and were pretty close at regionals last year (UCLA 398 - Cal Ply 414).
Cal Poly 7th at Joe Piane today. How does that compare to UCLA's performance in OR? I think it's going to be a really great comparison to see the impact of 1st year coaches, starting with very similar teams.
Tbh Gonzaga is a lot better than Oregon, they held out James Mwaura (27:50 guy) and Evan Bates (13:45 guy) could see those guys running with Guermali their top guy today. And Portland held out 3-4 of their top runners at Dellinger, which means they are a lot better than what we saw in Dellinger. The way I see it as of now (but not set in stone). Such a toss up with 2-5
Would it be fair to compare UCLA and Cal Poly to determine coaching ability? Both programs hired coaches within a couple of weeks of each other and were pretty close at regionals last year (UCLA 398 - Cal Ply 414).
Cal Poly 7th at Joe Piane today. How does that compare to UCLA's performance in OR? I think it's going to be a really great comparison to see the impact of 1st year coaches, starting with very similar teams.
Brosnan wasn't hired until August. Definitely a disadvantage not being able to give UCLA summer training. VanHoy was announced in June.
Tbh Gonzaga is a lot better than Oregon, they held out James Mwaura (27:50 guy) and Evan Bates (13:45 guy) could see those guys running with Guermali their top guy today. And Portland held out 3-4 of their top runners at Dellinger, which means they are a lot better than what we saw in Dellinger. The way I see it as of now (but not set in stone). Such a toss up with 2-5
Of course they will not beat Stanford, Oregon and Washington.
NAU is not expected to beat Stanford, so why would you expect UCLA to be competitive with Stanford?
Success for UCLA would be top 4 at Regionals and participation at NCAA.
As someone else pointed out, their top 3 are good (all sub 23:55). Presently however their #4 and #5 are too weak to beat Portland at Regionals. The good news however is that their spread between #4 and #7 was only 18s. Therefore, only 2 of the 4 need to improve significantly in the next couple of months for UCLA to beat Portland (not all the pressure is on current #4 and #5).
Success for UCLA would be doing better than last year.
UCLA beat Portland State and Washington State at Weis Crockett.
Good news: Jai Dawson now running and seems to be in their top 5.
Bad news: their #1 (Peter Herold) seems to be going backward (was their #3) and their #4 (Martinez) also seems to going backward (he ran 24:57 and was their #6). Nobody on the team ran a PB.
UCLA beat Portland State and Washington State at Weis Crockett.
Good news: Jai Dawson now running and seems to be in their top 5.
Bad news: their #1 (Peter Herold) seems to be going backward (was their #3) and their #4 (Martinez) also seems to going backward (he ran 24:57 and was their #6). Nobody on the team ran a PB.
It will be tough to hear Cal Poly.
More good news - Ajani salcido is back racing. 3rd man on the b team this weekend, but he could possibly make the top 7 at the end of the season
UCLA beat Portland State and Washington State at Weis Crockett.
Good news: Jai Dawson now running and seems to be in their top 5.
Bad news: their #1 (Peter Herold) seems to be going backward (was their #3) and their #4 (Martinez) also seems to going backward (he ran 24:57 and was their #6). Nobody on the team ran a PB.
It will be tough to hear Cal Poly.
More good news - Ajani salcido is back racing. 3rd man on the b team this weekend, but he could possibly make the top 7 at the end of the season
If Salcido and Dawson are your idea of good news, you’ve just admitted you don’t have high hopes for UCLA. Doesn’t look like Brosnan’s coaching is going to have the kind of impact he and his followers believed it would.
UCLA beat Portland State and Washington State at Weis Crockett.
Good news: Jai Dawson now running and seems to be in their top 5.
Bad news: their #1 (Peter Herold) seems to be going backward (was their #3) and their #4 (Martinez) also seems to going backward (he ran 24:57 and was their #6). Nobody on the team ran a PB.
It will be tough to hear Cal Poly.
PR's in cross country mean nothing. Especially on two completely different courses. One race doesn't mean you're going backwards. They look and seem better then Cal Poly, but why the compare them to Cal Poly?
UCLA beat Portland State and Washington State at Weis Crockett.
Good news: Jai Dawson now running and seems to be in their top 5.
Bad news: their #1 (Peter Herold) seems to be going backward (was their #3) and their #4 (Martinez) also seems to going backward (he ran 24:57 and was their #6). Nobody on the team ran a PB.
It will be tough to hear Cal Poly.
PR's in cross country mean nothing. Especially on two completely different courses. One race doesn't mean you're going backwards. They look and seem better then Cal Poly, but why the compare them to Cal Poly?
They look and seem better than Cal Poly? What are you looking at? Cal Poly looks much better right now.
The comparison is interesting as it was pointed out earlier in the thread because the two teams were very close at last year’s regional and they both hired new coaches this summer. So, which coach will have more of an impact is interesting. At this point, VanHoy seems to be have a much more significant impact than Brosnan and it doesn’t look particularly close.
PR's in cross country mean nothing. Especially on two completely different courses. One race doesn't mean you're going backwards. They look and seem better then Cal Poly, but why the compare them to Cal Poly?
They look and seem better than Cal Poly? What are you looking at? Cal Poly looks much better right now.
The comparison is interesting as it was pointed out earlier in the thread because the two teams were very close at last year’s regional and they both hired new coaches this summer. So, which coach will have more of an impact is interesting. At this point, VanHoy seems to be have a much more significant impact than Brosnan and it doesn’t look particularly close.
Interesting take. It looks like you have the coaches and teams mixed up. UCLA has the advantage over Cal Poly and Brosnan has a big impact. the truth is both coaches have a great impact, but if you’re looking for a winner it would go to UCLA. ESPECIALLY from last year
They look and seem better than Cal Poly? What are you looking at? Cal Poly looks much better right now.
The comparison is interesting as it was pointed out earlier in the thread because the two teams were very close at last year’s regional and they both hired new coaches this summer. So, which coach will have more of an impact is interesting. At this point, VanHoy seems to be have a much more significant impact than Brosnan and it doesn’t look particularly close.
Interesting take. It looks like you have the coaches and teams mixed up. UCLA has the advantage over Cal Poly and Brosnan has a big impact. the truth is both coaches have a great impact, but if you’re looking for a winner it would go to UCLA. ESPECIALLY from last year
Supporting stats? On the surface Cal Poly looks way better this year.
Last year, Cal Poly was 14th and UCLA was 15th at West Regionals.
More good news - Ajani salcido is back racing. 3rd man on the b team this weekend, but he could possibly make the top 7 at the end of the season
If Salcido and Dawson are your idea of good news, you’ve just admitted you don’t have high hopes for UCLA. Doesn’t look like Brosnan’s coaching is going to have the kind of impact he and his followers believed it would.
UCLA beat Portland State and Washington State at Weis Crockett.
Good news: Jai Dawson now running and seems to be in their top 5.
Bad news: their #1 (Peter Herold) seems to be going backward (was their #3) and their #4 (Martinez) also seems to going backward (he ran 24:57 and was their #6). Nobody on the team ran a PB.
It will be tough to hear Cal Poly.
PR's in cross country mean nothing. Especially on two completely different courses. One race doesn't mean you're going backwards. They look and seem better then Cal Poly, but why the compare them to Cal Poly?
You can in fact compare from race to race in XC. It simply takes more analysis to do so.
Let’s start with Herold going backward (of course maybe he was sick, maybe he fell down, maybe he lost a shoe…). What we do know is that he did not take a step forward.
At Dellinger, he was 5th overall and ran 23:49. Yesterday, he was 29th and ran 24:14. He was 1st UCLA at Dellinger and 3rd UCLA yesterday (1st and 2nd ran 23:56 and 23:57 respectively yesterday). In addition he beat MacIntosh (Portland State) at Dellinger who finished 14th in 23:55 yesterday.
No UCLA runner running a PB is an additional metric. Weiss Crockett ran a few seconds slower than Delinger, which can be seen with all the runners who ran both. If one or more UCLA runners had managed to run a PB in spite of that, it would have indicated a step forward. None did.
As I said, there were positives and negatives, but Cal Poly does look like it has the edge right now.
More good news - Ajani salcido is back racing. 3rd man on the b team this weekend, but he could possibly make the top 7 at the end of the season
If Salcido and Dawson are your idea of good news, you’ve just admitted you don’t have high hopes for UCLA. Doesn’t look like Brosnan’s coaching is going to have the kind of impact he and his followers believed it would.