Has a woman ever hit an Olympic qualifying standard for for that particular Olympic cycle? Nope. Not even close.
Has a woman ever hit a US Olympic Trails qualifying standard. Nope, not even close.
For the marathon this is simply incorrect. Paula was just off the Olympic A standard for men's marathon when she ran her 215. [ in fact they're just changed the standard a couple years before if they had not I think she would have beaten it]
And if she had happened to be American of course she would have easily beaten the men's Olympic trials qualifying standard.
Deena Kastor was in fact very close to meeting the USA men's trials standard and now so is Keira D’Amato.
But.....lemme guess: those examples "don't count" or you "meant something else" ? Right.
[ the large majority of people agree with your overall point that most people are making on this thread that elite women cannot compete with the elite men but you all need to stop exaggerating and get your facts straight or you lose credibility]
So two American women in history have come close to running the USA men's trial standard and these means what?
SAFP is the best female sprinter in history, she runs in that 10.6ish world. A decent high school boy can run a 10.3ish, I am far FAR stronger than my wife just like my dad was compared to mom.
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Women are so far inferior to men in sport it's very obvious.
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Its worse than that. These lions are trying lead others into their delusions.
No, even worse. If you don't agree with their delusions, you are a bigot. This is gaslighting to the extreme. Mental illness is now considered acceptable.
It's just people who know absolutely nothing about sport who write these kind of articles. They should stay away from the topic - they don't know enough about it. Silly to write about something you're not informed about.
People with DSDs are not strange, unnatural, cursed creatures created by capricious gods and goddesses the way they are depicted in ancient Greek myths. They were not brought into being in weird, novel ways that can't be accounted for by evolution - nor do they reproduce in peculiar ways, either. All people with DSDs came into being in exactly the way we all did: egg + sperm.
So are people with ovotestecular symdrom male or female? If human sex is binary, every single one is them is either male or female, right? Are they allowed to decide whether they are male or female, or is it people like yourself who get to decide it for them?
No they're not allowed to decide, nature has decided for them - they are females who were exposed to excessive testosterone during fetal development. Glad to clear that up for you!
yeah. My short sprint times would make me the fastest woman on my track team. Long distance would make me the top 5% of female cross country runners in my school, but I was slower than 65% of my cross country team. And this is from a below average male. Gender differences are 100% present in sports.
The article spends most of the time addressing the relatively niche issue of girls wanting to play football, and more rarely boys wanting to play girls' field hockey. It's a stretch to go from there to making all sports coed even when male/female categories already exist. The article does make that stretch without seriously acknowledging that this would destroy female athletics. But within this flawed article there's a good point that the safety rules are stupid and a better mechanism should exist for allowing girls to play boys sports, especially when there's no girl's option. The boy wanting to play field hockey is a tougher case. Tough as it may be, he should move to Europe/Asia where men's field hockey exists or find another sport.
for the preposterous claim you repeatedly make that "human sex is not binary."
The fact that I state very clearly and forthrightly that human sex is binary, and I point out the many reasons why this is the case, doesn't mean I am in any way prejudiced against people with DSD conditions or that I believe I should decide how they conceptualize themselves.
I think I am one of the most well-informed and measured posters on LRC about these topics. I also think I am one of LRC's most fair-minded and least homophobic posters. I do not believe in othering and monstering people with DSDs or who belong to other marginalized minorities, and I don't make posts that do that.
Stop deluding yourself. You are a bigot totally prejudiced against DSDs. You have used vile mocking language beneath any civilized discourse to try to discredit DSD athletes.
Human sex is indeed not binary. Rarity of some conditions does not change that.
You are far from the most well informed or balanced. This incel capital is the only place in the world that lends your bigotry an ear.
Well, then add my so-called bigotry to the discourse because I believe human sex is binary with a few rare exceptions of deviation. I have yet to be informed of a case of human asexual reproduction, but then again, I am a product of government schools so perhaps I am not enlightened. Anyway, shouldn't my beliefs be tolerated?
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I don't even understand what you are trying to say. Where is your "data" that people with DSD think the "intersex" is a stigmatizing word. Any mass surveys available on the sebject?
Are these people with DSD stigmatizing other people by calling themselves "intersex"? Are they stigmatizing themselves?
I'm saying that the identities of people with DSDs do not determine the nature of the condition. For example, if males with a particular DSD all identified as female, that would not make them female. If the reproductive system is organized around the production of sperm, an individual is male, even if they look female on the outside and view themselves as women.
I think RunRagged is pointing out that many people with DSDs find the term "intersex" stigmatizing (some clearly don't), but the more important point from a scientific standpoint is that they are not truly intersex.
BMJ published "Consensus Statement on the Management of Intersex Disorders" in 2006. They advocate for different and more precise language and propose Disorders of Sex Development as a replacement for intersex. Here's a quote from the article:
"Advances in identification of molecular genetic causes of abnormal sex with heightened awareness of ethical issues and patient advocacy concerns necessitate a re-examination of nomenclature.1 Terms such as intersex, pseudohermaphroditism, hermaphroditism, sex reversal, and gender based diagnostic labels are particularly controversial. These terms are perceived as potentially pejorative by patients,2 and can be confusing to practitioners and parents alike. The term “disorders of sex development” (DSD) is proposed, as defined by congenital conditions in which development of chromosomal, gonadal, or anatomical sex is atypical."
Several people wrote responses to the statement and the proposed change in terminology.
1. You are arguing based on the authority. The exact thing you claimed I was doing. Good job!.
2. Your "source" does not list any objective data to support it. You are not presenting anything separate from the authority of its authors.
3. "Disorder of Sex Development" is pejorative, because it pathologizes otherwise healthy people, and implies that those people need to be "fixed" by medical professionals. This is a very disturbing implication, given the troubled history of surgery done to them without their consent.
4. For the reason above, "Differences of Sex Development" in a preferred terminology. (See the video by Dr. Baratz above. Oops, she cannot be objective, can she?)
5. This question is more than just terminology. The intersex people in those videos are refusing the binary of sex. They don't want to be squeezed into binary boxes for the convenience or comfort of other people.
6. To the extent they accept the binary categories, most of them would rather be in the box opposite of their karyotype.
7. If it is stigmatizing to use the term "intersex", is it okay to call them "men" in spite of their own identity?
8. If you insist on calling them "men" stop pretending you do not want them to be "othered" or stigmatized.
Mate, I really don't get why on every thread about this topic you try to make me out to be some kind of authoritarian reactionary bigot. But it's really tiresome.
You mean, like I don't get why on every thread you try to make me out to be the absolute worst male supremacist and misogynist? Yeah, I don't get it.
You might be "well-informed" but you collected all your information to bolster your agenda. That's not called "fair-minded."
I actually don't care whether you think I am a male supremacist. That has absolutely no impact on me. I just feel really sorry that your life is so full of hate, and you have nothing better to do with your life than spewing your venom on the Internet.
Wow. I guess the Atlantic staff from top to bottom should be skinned and then set on fire. Anyone writing for them is clearly educated enough to know that women are no where near the caliber of men physically and mentally or emotionally..
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