We really have people coming after Rudisha's dominance here?
From June 17, 2009 to his injury which was in June 2013, he raced an 800 final 39 times.
Here were the results:
-37 wins (including 15 Diamond/Golden League wins, 3 Kenyan Titles, World Athletics Final Title, African Title, Continental Cup Title) -2 losses (2011 and 2012- both times the last race of the season to Mo Aman, in 2011 it was his 3rd race in 8 days with a 1:41.33 the week before) -2 World Championship Gold Medals -Olympic Title with a World Record of 1:40.91 -6 of the fastest 8 times ever including the 3 fastest times ever -4 additional times in the top 20 ever
To act like Coe was ever at this level is silly, great a runner as he was. Rudisha's post-injury peak was in fact closer to Coe's 800m peak, but Rudisha was the better championship performer picking up back-to-back global titles (including a 1:42.15 Olympic title in Rio) despite being a lesser performer on the circuit.
Lol. And you are making things up. Rudisha was not 'unbeatable'. He was beaten over 800m 17 times between 2009 (the first year he ran 1:42) and 2017. That's twice as many defeats as Coe suffered over a longer period of 10 years. So the facts don't back up your claims. In fact they dismiss them out of hand.
I was mainly responding to this post by Deano. 37-2 in a 4-year span, and unlike Coe he was running against the best all the time in this span. The 2 losses to me are pretty insignificant as well and came to Mo Aman who would win the World Title in 2013 after Rudisha's injury. The first one in 2011 being the 3rd race in 8 days (after a WR attempt 8 days before), and the second in 2012 after setting a World Record. While Coe's 1979 and 1981 were very good, but it's curious he didn't race Steve Ovett once in those years. Perhaps his won-loss record could've been affected.
We really have people coming after Rudisha's dominance here?
From June 17, 2009 to his injury which was in June 2013, he raced an 800 final 39 times.
Here were the results:
-37 wins (including 15 Diamond/Golden League wins, 3 Kenyan Titles, World Athletics Final Title, African Title, Continental Cup Title) -2 losses (2011 and 2012- both times the last race of the season to Mo Aman, in 2011 it was his 3rd race in 8 days with a 1:41.33 the week before) -2 World Championship Gold Medals -Olympic Title with a World Record of 1:40.91 -6 of the fastest 8 times ever including the 3 fastest times ever -4 additional times in the top 20 ever
To act like Coe was ever at this level is silly, great a runner as he was. Rudisha's post-injury peak was in fact closer to Coe's 800m peak, but Rudisha was the better championship performer picking up back-to-back global titles (including a 1:42.15 Olympic title in Rio) despite being a lesser performer on the circuit.
Come on.
Deanouk already told us Coegod himself has had a much better win/loss record in a streak with fewer losses and many wins in the great 1:50 - 1:55 area and also many heats in regional championships and something like 2 or 3 international races per season. And Coevett already has told us it's much more likely to create a win streak when running in paced races against the very best again and again then while racing unpaced against 1:55 runners.
Danemark is one of the oldest worldwide democracies (voyons).
If "corruption" was found in one of your civilized countries, it should have been in England too.
Kipketer never even lived in Denmark. He gained citizenship by marrying a Danish woman. He lived in Monaco (to avoid paying taxes to the country that granted him citizenship) when he represented Denmark, and for sure spent more time in Kenya during his career than Denmark. EPO was legal as well as undetectable in Kipketer's day.
We really have people coming after Rudisha's dominance here?
From June 17, 2009 to his injury which was in June 2013, he raced an 800 final 39 times.
Here were the results:
-37 wins (including 15 Diamond/Golden League wins, 3 Kenyan Titles, World Athletics Final Title, African Title, Continental Cup Title) -2 losses (2011 and 2012- both times the last race of the season to Mo Aman, in 2011 it was his 3rd race in 8 days with a 1:41.33 the week before) -2 World Championship Gold Medals -Olympic Title with a World Record of 1:40.91 -6 of the fastest 8 times ever including the 3 fastest times ever -4 additional times in the top 20 ever
To act like Coe was ever at this level is silly, great a runner as he was. Rudisha's post-injury peak was in fact closer to Coe's 800m peak, but Rudisha was the better championship performer picking up back-to-back global titles (including a 1:42.15 Olympic title in Rio) despite being a lesser performer on the circuit.
Come on.
Deanouk already told us Coegod himself has had a much better win/loss record in a streak with fewer losses and many wins in the great 1:50 - 1:55 area and also many heats in regional championships and something like 2 or 3 international races per season. And Coevett already has told us it's much more likely to create a win streak when running in paced races against the very best again and again then while racing unpaced against 1:55 runners.
So who do you think was going to run 1:41/1:42 off a 50 second split to beat Coe between 79 - 81? Don Paige?
So for those, who doubted my statement that Rudisha in average was 2 seconds faster than Coe, I carefully compiled this data from the All Time Lists @ worldathletics.org:
Deanouk already told us Coegod himself has had a much better win/loss record in a streak with fewer losses and many wins in the great 1:50 - 1:55 area and also many heats in regional championships and something like 2 or 3 international races per season. And Coevett already has told us it's much more likely to create a win streak when running in paced races against the very best again and again then while racing unpaced against 1:55 runners.
So who do you think was going to run 1:41/1:42 off a 50 second split to beat Coe between 79 - 81? Don Paige?
Steve Ovett.
Changing subject completely, he knows why.
How far do you want to go in the Bull counting, Coevett? Up to 800?
So for those, who doubted my statement that Rudisha in average was 2 seconds faster than Coe, I carefully compiled this data from the All Time Lists @ worldathletics.org:
It was told you several times already why this is totally misleading.
Absolutely not misleading, no matter how often you gonna say otherwise.
This is a very good indicator of how much better Rudisha was than Coe in the 800m.
You're dumb. How many times do you have to have it explained to you that Coe did not have a Diamond League or a Golden League? What times do you think Rudisha would have ran and how often if he had been born the same year as Coe?
However, this whole argument is stupid. Even myself and Deano do not dispute that Rudisha is the GOAT. We can make a case who is behind him - Coe, Kipketer, or Snell. Yet you still need to try to attempt the impossible and belittle Coe's achievements.
It was told you several times already why this is totally misleading.
Absolutely not misleading, no matter how often you gonna say otherwise.
This is a very good indicator of how much better Rudisha was than Coe in the 800m.
How can a direct comparison of times be made between athletes competing 30 years apart? How would Coe stack up against the athletes of the 1950's? That's the same gap in time between him and Rudisha. This debate has become absurd.
How can a direct comparison of times be made between athletes competing 30 years apart? How would Coe stack up against the athletes of the 1950's? That's the same gap in time between him and Rudisha. This debate has become absurd.
Rudisha stacked up better against athletes of the 2009-2013 range better than Coe did, so your argument fails. Please try again.
You're dumb. How many times do you have to have it explained to you that Coe did not have a Diamond League or a Golden League? What times do you think Rudisha would have ran and how often if he had been born the same year as Coe?
However, this whole argument is stupid. Even myself and Deano do not dispute that Rudisha is the GOAT. We can make a case who is behind him - Coe, Kipketer, or Snell. Yet you still need to try to attempt the impossible and belittle Coe's achievements.
I don't think we should begrudge Coe for having the same volume of times as Rudisha and Kipketer. However, there is some culpability with him and Ovett dodging each other as far the idea of him racing top competitors. Ultimately, it is a strike against him that when he did begrudgingly race him in Moscow he lost in what was a watered-down field due to boycotts. And then when he faced a top athlete (Paige) who wasn't in Moscow, he lost as well. Later on in his career, Joaquim Cruz beat him as well convincingly to Olympic Gold.
People I know go very hard on Kipketer for the lack of the Olympic title, but ultimately his "failures" were just one podium place below Coe's and that's with missing his best chance at Gold. It's hard to believe he wouldn't have won in 1996 considering he was undefeated in '96 and '97 against the same guys. In his top seasons, he just didn't lose when he was on and certainly even in 1995 where he had a couple of losses they were well after Worlds. In 2000, he didn't win but he wasn't at the same form as in '95-'97 or '99 and missed out on the Gold by less than Coe did. Coe was great and moved the event forward a huge amount. Ultimately,
Danemark is one of the oldest worldwide democracies (voyons).
If "corruption" was found in one of your civilized countries, it should have been in England too.
Kipketer never even lived in Denmark. He gained citizenship by marrying a Danish woman. He lived in Monaco (to avoid paying taxes to the country that granted him citizenship) when he represented Denmark, and for sure spent more time in Kenya during his career than Denmark. EPO was legal as well as undetectable in Kipketer's day.
And Paula Radcliffe also lived in Monaco and for sure spent more time in the US during her career than England.
EPO was legal as well as undetectable in Paula's day.
Rudisha was unbeatable. Coe was not. I think those stats are quite accurate, if Coe raced Rudisha 10 times, he would only finish within a second of Rudisha 1 time.
Lol. And you are making things up. Rudisha was not 'unbeatable'. He was beaten over 800m 17 times between 2009 (the first year he ran 1:42) and 2017. That's twice as many defeats as Coe suffered over a longer period of 10 years. So the facts don't back up your claims. In fact they dismiss them out of hand.
A peak Rudisha may be deemed unbeatable, as he was in 2010 (the only year he remained unbeaten), but he certainly didn't have a long unbeaten run like someone like Moses or Bolt had. Coe, in his own era, was also unbeatable when in peak form, as he showed over 2 seasons (79 & 81), where he was unbeaten at any distance (800m and above).