This is an interesting topic. There is a lot of focus on preparing girls to grow up in a world where they can participate as "equals", so much so that we don't realize that we're telling them that they're more equal than men. There is a double standard. It's atrocious to be dishonest to women, but also atrocious to ever doubt them. Also, in a hyper competitive world where getting ahead of the competition is valued above all else, untruthful individuals excel. By simply giving an honest effort, you will lose out to those who are better at selling a lie. This is obviously not a good setting for building a relationship, and both women and men suffer from this. But it's apparently a sign of being an incel if you don't like pounds of makeup. Desire for honesty is a sin, being honest is evil, and valuing honesty is vile. The world is twisted. Psychologists want us to believe school shooters aren't psychopaths, but happiness is the true sickness. These evil, envious people won't stop until there is no love in this world. How could you possibly think the dating world is okay now? They treat the world like a nuisance, and neuter our children, and praise these children for doing so. I don't care how much anyone will disagree with this, but the world is a rotten place, and everything is backwards because the most straightforward beliefs we all have are dangerous. The world is on fire, and we are told to not let our cars idle while celebrities fly private jets daily to get to their mailbox. We are screwed. How could you possibly build a relationship in this setting? Compassion has been replaced with something else.
I don’t see how this is a problem. It’s essentially saying it’s bad for men that women are no longer their slaves. Who cares that some men are weak feeble people who can’t handle a health relationship. They deserve to be single for life.
I don’t see how this is a problem. It’s essentially saying it’s bad for men that women are no longer their slaves. Who cares that some men are weak feeble people who can’t handle a health relationship. They deserve to be single for life.
the thing is this is not what is happening. The real problem for women: there are not enough attractive men, so the few attractive men end up being single and never commiting, which makes them sad.
When there's no attraction there's no relationship. The guys who could handle a healthy relationship are single and virgin because they aren't good looking.
Make most men attractive and everything will be ok. As of now, surgeries wok, but they are expensive, so the government must pay uggos like me to become beautiful so we can enter relationships.
I don’t see how this is a problem. It’s essentially saying it’s bad for men that women are no longer their slaves. Who cares that some men are weak feeble people who can’t handle a health relationship. They deserve to be single for life.
the thing is this is not what is happening. The real problem for women: there are not enough attractive men, so the few attractive men end up being single and never commiting, which makes them sad.
When there's no attraction there's no relationship. The guys who could handle a healthy relationship are single and virgin because they aren't good looking.
Make most men attractive and everything will be ok. As of now, surgeries wok, but they are expensive, so the government must pay uggos like me to become beautiful so we can enter relationships.
Root cause
But would Congress vote on a bill & would the President actually sign it appropriating taxpayer's money to pay for ugly men's surgeries? (and what about the women - they're going to want the same benefit).
And what would qualify a man for the surgery? What objective measure would be used to determine a man's ugliness? Is it primarily facial deformities or someone just not as good looking as the top 10 or 15% of men?
I consider myself to be ugly. I've had people tell me back in HS that I had "a face only a mother could love." I have a hard time making eye contact with people. I'm socially uncomfortable around people. I hardly can stand to look at myself in a mirror - often cussing at myself (e.g. "you're one ugly SOB"). I hate my parents for conceiving such an ugly human.
During the mask mandates, I was a completely different person. I had confidence & felt better about myself. Social anxiety was gone as I was making connections with people & making friends. I was even approached by attractive women at the gym! (I have a muscular, atheistic physique & women were complimenting about it). It was so euphoric to be able to talk to women eye to eye. Since they couldn't see my face - and saw only my nice flowing hair, blue eyes & muscular physique - they enjoyed talking to me for once. Life was really good during the mask mandates - I miss them.
Don't get me wrong - I'm with you 100% on this. But would the government actually justify paying for millions of ugly men's surgeries? And the good looking people out there would have no sympathy preferring to look down on us & state their ad nuseam "life isn't fair...not everyone can be good looking...just deal with it" mantra.
I don’t see how this is a problem. It’s essentially saying it’s bad for men that women are no longer their slaves. Who cares that some men are weak feeble people who can’t handle a health relationship. They deserve to be single for life.
If you spend any time with women, you'll realize pretty quick that most women don't like being independent (a fancy word for being alone) and used as human fleshlights. They don't like being single, but also don't want to "settle" for a non-perfect man because society has told them they're perfect.
Obviously not ALL women think this way, but I've found that the single ones (especially the ones in they late twenties and older) do. They overestimate their value as a mate, then feel entitled to a man who's out of their league.
Just googled it: it's some incel BS that insinuates that men get "raped" by the courts in a divorce because they think the courts favor women.
To Uncontrolled Hyperamy: stay off the incel/mens rights/pick-up artist subreddits and message boards; your life and general wellbeing will thank you.
Incels are the ultimate Dunning-Kruger poster children. Bunch of dudes who have never been in a relationship and can barely bring themselves to speak to a female, but they will talk about women, relationships, and marriage as if they are the world's leading experts on the topic.
Imagine a group of morbidly obese people confidently pontificating about marathon training. That's basically the equivalent of incels discussing marriage.
Always easier to blame broad categories like "society" or "women" than to just look in the mirror.
Beauty standards for men are not as rigid as they are for women. Nearly all men are capable of attaining an above average level of attractiveness if they put in a little effort. Think of how many people are obese in this country. Got to the gym, get in decent shape, get a solid haircut, and you're there. Combine that with being a nice person who isn't obsessed with conspiracy theories or wallowing in the supposed "persecution of the straight white man", and boom. You're a solid 6 at minimum.
There are too many guys walking around right now who think they're entitled to female attention, despite not taking care of themselves physically or emotionally. Go see a therapist and buy a gym membership.
"...and don't live with your parents past college."
Yes, just get poor paying rent and not saving, perpetually in a state of increasing rents and never saving for anything close to a respectable down payment or financial security. What a naive American take, and this is coming from an American.
Just googled it: it's some incel BS that insinuates that men get "raped" by the courts in a divorce because they think the courts favor women.
To Uncontrolled Hyperamy: stay off the incel/mens rights/pick-up artist subreddits and message boards; your life and general wellbeing will thank you.
Incels are the ultimate Dunning-Kruger poster children. Bunch of dudes who have never been in a relationship and can barely bring themselves to speak to a female, but they will talk about women, relationships, and marriage as if they are the world's leading experts on the topic.
Imagine a group of morbidly obese people confidently pontificating about marathon training. That's basically the equivalent of incels discussing marriage.
It’s honestly so sad. A defense mechanism for insecurity and low self esteem. Wish I didn’t relate so much. Guys, the hard part isn’t getting someone to sleep with you. The hard part is finding a partner that you actually want to spend time with.
Have you'all seen this (link below). Now, a man in the Fundamental Church of Latter Day Saints (FLDS), now that's a context where you can complain about dating! All the women (from as young as 14) are hoovered up by old elder church men that take multiple wives, leaving the younger men to be kicked out of the church (becomes of the obvious arithmetic problem: if the old men take 10-20 wives each, who do the young men marry!). Lol those crazy Mormons have it much worse than the whining Incels!
An in-depth look into the secretive polygamous sect of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and the rise of self-professed prophet ...
the thing is this is not what is happening. The real problem for women: there are not enough attractive men, so the few attractive men end up being single and never commiting, which makes them sad.
When there's no attraction there's no relationship. The guys who could handle a healthy relationship are single and virgin because they aren't good looking.
Make most men attractive and everything will be ok. As of now, surgeries wok, but they are expensive, so the government must pay uggos like me to become beautiful so we can enter relationships.
Root cause
But would Congress vote on a bill & would the President actually sign it appropriating taxpayer's money to pay for ugly men's surgeries? (and what about the women - they're going to want the same benefit).
And what would qualify a man for the surgery? What objective measure would be used to determine a man's ugliness? Is it primarily facial deformities or someone just not as good looking as the top 10 or 15% of men?
I consider myself to be ugly. I've had people tell me back in HS that I had "a face only a mother could love." I have a hard time making eye contact with people. I'm socially uncomfortable around people. I hardly can stand to look at myself in a mirror - often cussing at myself (e.g. "you're one ugly SOB"). I hate my parents for conceiving such an ugly human.
During the mask mandates, I was a completely different person. I had confidence & felt better about myself. Social anxiety was gone as I was making connections with people & making friends. I was even approached by attractive women at the gym! (I have a muscular, atheistic physique & women were complimenting about it). It was so euphoric to be able to talk to women eye to eye. Since they couldn't see my face - and saw only my nice flowing hair, blue eyes & muscular physique - they enjoyed talking to me for once. Life was really good during the mask mandates - I miss them.
Don't get me wrong - I'm with you 100% on this. But would the government actually justify paying for millions of ugly men's surgeries? And the good looking people out there would have no sympathy preferring to look down on us & state their ad nuseam "life isn't fair...not everyone can be good looking...just deal with it" mantra.
There's no female incels, so they shouldn't get included. you can include them if you want but lets face it: women can have sex whenever they want, with whomever they want.
The government will have to do this at some point. women won't go back to date and marry uggos. they just won't society has changed, and laws must change to adapt.
beauty is the only thing that matters in a relationship. it doesn't matter what other qualities you might have. women have made it clear.
No one is buying the "work in your personality" "just be a good person" "just provide" "just go to church" bs
as I said before, the societal expectations are unknown at this point. What will happen when 80% of men realize women don't want be around them? that they would rather stay single and have sex every once in a while rather than have a relationship with uggos? about 5% of men already realized that.
another obvious law change that will happen, this time pushed by women: they will get rid of men paying for child support, and make the government pay for it.
Why? It might sound weird at first, but let's face, there's not a lot a good looking men, and women would rather get a baby from a good looking guy than an ugly guy. but the good looking guy can't pay child support for over a thousand of kids, so wears condoms.
as soon as he doesn't need to wear condons anymore, because women will get rid of child support law, he will have thousands of kids, and women will happily get pregnant with his seed.
this just isn't happening right now because of laws.
Probably explains the increase in shootings and general mayhem.
not 100%. As my example I give Columbine shooters and Elliot Rodger. Klebold and Harris were tall and the ethnic majority in year 2000, dating opportunities should have been there. OLD barely existed yet, media saturation of degeneracy and female empowerment had begun, but I’d put forth that internet + video games alienation contributed to those, plus latent psychopathy, plus testosterone.
Elliot Rodger had dating opportunities just being wealthy in CA and he got f’ed by lack of proper parenting and being fed toxic messages of superiority and babying as a kid.
I’d argue that alienation, plus psychopathy / detachment, and finally testosterone to pull the trigger, are the real causes of shootings. “N-cell” and dating issues are associated with shootings perhaps but I believe the three above things are the necessary
It will only get worse. The societal implications are unknown at this point.
The Government should pay ugly men plastic surgeries. Penile enhancement as well (once it's available, unfortunately it still doesn't exist).
The rest (therapy, working on your personality, finding hobbies) is all fake. We nees to address the root cause, which is looks.
It's just isn't true. I know plenty of unattractive men, many of which are also overweight, who are married with children. Some of them are married to not unattractive spouses. What they all can do is have good conversations and they have good personalities.
Don't get me wrong, being attractive does make life easier in all kinds of ways but if you work on your social skills and have good energy you should have no problem finding a mate. If you do then the problem isn't just your looks, it's also other things
You have to keep applying surgeries to each generation, and kids will grow up either constantly going back into the OR for surgeries, or they’ll grow up ugly; it’s just a mess. There are too many things to fix with most guys that they could never comfortably look above average. You’ve got short height, narrow shoulders, ugly face, baldness, all that must be fixed, it’s much more easily fixed by just having good genetics