If state lawmakers are making medical decisions for people, should they be liable for malpractice? If a woman is harmed because she was unable to terminate a high risk pregnancy, seems like she should be able to go after the individual(s) who denied her the procedure.
Again, name one state that is attempting to deny abortions for "high risk" pregnancies
If you support this as a man, I assume you also stay abstinent. Even if you’re married, it’s possible that a terminal illness could make a pregnancy unviable, or a serious birth defect could result in the need for termination, or the life of the mother is endangered, and since you can never know, it’s best you all keep your penises to yourself!
Or, do you all just think it’s the responsibility of women to use birth control and deal with pregnancy while men continue to do whatever they want?
Uh, how about men and women keep their parts separate from each other until they are willing to accept the risks that come with intercourse?
Makes sense. There is no constitutional right to abortion. This ruling DOES NOT ban abortions, which is what many on the Left have been trying to say in order to galvanize their base. All this ruling does is turn the decision over to the individual states. Most states have already publicly stated that they will allow abortions, with the limitations varying by state. The Blue States will certainly allow abortions with few limitations. Most Red States will also allow abortions, albeit with strong limitations (i.e., the Mississippi Law that banned abortion after 15 weeks that led to this SCOTUS decision). Possibly a few Deep Red States might ban abortion altogether but this is unlikely. Even is they do, all a woman needs to do is drive across the border and get her abortion. Not much will change with this ruling.
I largely agree. Just as Ruth Bader Ginsburg stated such a decision is better handled through legislation than the courts (with some reasonable intervention).
I would take issue with the line about it being as simple as driving across state lines. That is not an easy for all as you think for some. I suspect that organizations will spring up (or current organizations will raise money) that will help defer the cost of such transportation. Still that is not all that great either.
I would argue that throwing it to the legislatures (and Congress could pass legislation although unlikely anything would get through the Senate any time soon) is better. If the people of Mississippi decide that the legislators made a big mistake, it is easier to vote the state legislators out of office than to bring a court case and far faster.
Some states (Wisconsin) have very old laws still on the books that have bans or severe restrictions. It will be a discussion that should be had as to what to do with them. The states that enacted trigger laws that were largely virtual signaling to me are now going to have to deal with the realities. Does the state really want unwanted pregnancies when not a small number are likely to be using social services already and another child will be added to the dole?
For states with strict abortion restrictions: what are you going to do to help women prevent unwanted pregnancies to begin with. Colorado had a pretty low cost IUD program at one time and the state rate of unwanted pregnancies and abortions dropped during that time. (Other factors probably were at play as well as abortions across the country have been on the decrease as better access to birth control came into play.)
All the organizations that spent money on lawyers will now shift that money to lobbyists and to candidates. I prefer a fight in the legislature over one in the courts.
Right. Can people name a single state that has completely outlawed abortion? Or one that even has attempted to? No lives will be at risk because of this ruling. In fact, it will save millions of lives.
They can't.
June 22, 2022 – Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards has signed a bill to ban abortion in the state, with no exceptions for rape or incest. The legislation, Senate Bill 342, would put harsher criminal penalties on abortion providers, according to The Daily Advertiser in Lafayette, LA. It toughens Louisiana’s 2006 “trigger law,” which would ban abortion in the state if the Supreme Court overturns its landmark Roe v. Wade decision this summer.
As states across the country prepare for the likely overturning of Roe v. Wade in June, attention has shifted to the forthcoming efforts to outlaw abortion in Republican-controlled states. And, despite the unpopularity of such measures, it seems that many red states are planning to ban abortion without any exceptions for rape or incest. Of the 22 states with abortion bans that will instantly take effect if the landmark Supreme Court ruling is overturned, 10 have passed laws that make no exceptions for rape or incest: Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Texas.
The Texas Tribune has been covering the fight over abortion rights for years. Here’s what you need to know about the ruling and how it will affect Texans.
The state's Republican leadership has long sought to ban abortions, but Roe v. Wade has kept lawmakers from doing so. With that 49-year-old case now overturned, a trigger law will go into effect in 30 days that bans all abortions from the moment of fertilization
The same LRC feminists rushing to protect biological women from the threat of a trans athlete snatching a medal from them are now gleeful that these same biological women have had a foundational right to control their bodies ripped away this morning. What a joke….
The state's Republican leadership has long sought to ban abortions, but Roe v. Wade has kept lawmakers from doing so. With that 49-year-old case now overturned, a trigger law will go into effect in 30 days that bans all abortions from the moment of fertilization
“All they have to do is drive over state lines” You think that’s a reasonable way for a woman to obtain healthcare? You think all women are going to have easy access to do that? Abortion isn’t just birth control, it is also a life-saving procedure for a woman. My own sister nearly died during a very much wanted pregnancy from a non-viable fetus. Had she not been able to receive an abortion, she wouldn’t be here.
STOP LYING. Even the most republican states are going to allow abortions in cases where the mother's health is at risk. They will also allow abortions in the case of rape or incest.
If you support this as a man, I assume you also stay abstinent. Even if you’re married, it’s possible that a terminal illness could make a pregnancy unviable, or a serious birth defect could result in the need for termination, or the life of the mother is endangered, and since you can never know, it’s best you all keep your penises to yourself!
Or, do you all just think it’s the responsibility of women to use birth control and deal with pregnancy while men continue to do whatever they want?
I support the overturning of Roe, but am a squish on abortion and want the matter settled through legislation not court action. I find that far more palatable than justices making such decisions. Roe, to me, was poorly decided. When you have to use "penumbra" it throws a lot of questions up.
“All they have to do is drive over state lines” You think that’s a reasonable way for a woman to obtain healthcare? You think all women are going to have easy access to do that? Abortion isn’t just birth control, it is also a life-saving procedure for a woman. My own sister nearly died during a very much wanted pregnancy from a non-viable fetus. Had she not been able to receive an abortion, she wouldn’t be here.
STOP LYING. Even the most republican states are going to allow abortions in cases where the mother's health is at risk. They will also allow abortions in the case of rape or incest.
If you support this as a man, I assume you also stay abstinent. Even if you’re married, it’s possible that a terminal illness could make a pregnancy unviable, or a serious birth defect could result in the need for termination, or the life of the mother is endangered, and since you can never know, it’s best you all keep your penises to yourself!
Or, do you all just think it’s the responsibility of women to use birth control and deal with pregnancy while men continue to do whatever they want?
I support the overturning of Roe, but am a squish on abortion and want the matter settled through legislation not court action. I find that far more palatable than justices making such decisions. Roe, to me, was poorly decided. When you have to use "penumbra" it throws a lot of questions up.
I agree. It was overreach by the Supreme Court in the initial ruling. Now we’ve had to let the court reverse that decision in what is seen by many as overreach. This isn’t a loss of a right, it’s a return to neutral. The right to abortion was based on a shaky interpretation of a right to privacy. I’m surprised it took this long for Roe to get overturned.
On the plus side, since SCOTUS ruled earlier this week that religious schools can benefit from state taxpayer funding and affirmed state's rights with today's decision, blue states are now free to tax the living f**k out of religious organizations via legislation. For funsies, earmark those dollars to fund Planned Parenthood within their respective state borders!
and of course, before some woke leftist tries to point it out as a "gotcha", women can still get an IUD and take birth control pills, and men can still wear condoms. I didn't specify the genders because it was clear
The same LRC feminists rushing to protect biological women from the threat of a trans athlete snatching a medal from them are now gleeful that these same biological women have had a foundational right to control their bodies ripped away this morning. What a joke….
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