In the USA, a decent citizen can carry a gun for self-defense

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1 year ago 06/23/2022 7:57pm EDT

re: Kingdom, Power, Glory, Etc.

There are roughly 10,000 gun murders in America every year (suicide by gun is a different category). The vast majority of the gun murders in America take place in less than 2% of zip codes concentrated in: NYC, Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, New Orleans, Memphis, Houston, Dallas, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Los Angeles and a few other urban areas. Remove these ultra high crime zones from the equation and America's gun murder rate is in line with every other western nation where gun ownership is severely restricted. And while shockingly tragic, less than 200 kids have been shot and killed in schools since Columbine in 1999.

1 year ago 06/23/2022 8:07pm EDT

re: Kobbs Hessler

Kobbs Hessler wrote:
And while shockingly tragic, less than 200 kids have been shot and killed in schools since Columbine in 1999.

That makes it soooo much better. In 2033 it will be less than 500 innocent young children have been brutally gunned down in schools. How many by 2043?

1 year ago 06/23/2022 8:43pm EDT

re: runn

runn wrote:
I'm 63, I've never had to defend myself in any way ever. No one has ever randomly broken into my house.
If no one carried guns, no one would need a gun for protection.

You’re in the wrong country

Relocate to communist China if the second amendment rattles your liberal sensibilities. You’ll blend in

1 year ago 06/23/2022 10:14pm EDT

re: surveysays

surveysays wrote:
Kingdom, Power, Glory, Etc. wrote:
I'm not sure you are correct about gun ownership percentages, and I'm not sure they matter. And as I pointed out to you, a post have to reference race to be racist.
The poster you are defending called all black people who own guns for personal and home security "little dicked ineffectual nothing's."
He called ALL people who own guns for personal and home security "little dicked ineffectual nothing's". And that "all" doesn't include a higher preponderance of blacks. How long are you going to try to continue this silly charade?

I can't understand why you think "preponderance" or "higher percentage" has anything to do with it, assuming you are even correct.

The OP thinks black people who buy guns for personal or home protection are "little dicked ineffectual nothing's." You appear to agree with him, or at least be defending him.

1 year ago 06/23/2022 10:22pm EDT

re: Kingdom, Power, Glory, Etc.

Kingdom, Power, Glory, Etc. wrote:
surveysays wrote:
He called ALL people who own guns for personal and home security "little dicked ineffectual nothing's". And that "all" doesn't include a higher preponderance of blacks. How long are you going to try to continue this silly charade?
I can't understand why you think "preponderance" or "higher percentage" has anything to do with it, assuming you are even correct.
The OP thinks black people who buy guns for personal or home protection are "little dicked ineffectual nothing's." You appear to agree with him, or at least be defending him.

No he thinks all people who buy guns for personal or home protection are “little dicked ineffectual nothing’s”. Saying that all left-handed people are “little dicked ineffectual nothing’s” wouldn’t be racist either. Same thing. How long are you going to try to continue this silly charade?

1 year ago 06/23/2022 10:50pm EDT

re: Kobbs Hessler

you can probably say this about almost any crime. its a nonsensical argument. just dont understand why americans love guns so much and feel the need to have them as a god given right. completely arbitrary, has no logic in it. its crazy how many strawmen you will throw out to avoid a simple solution to reducing gun deaths. f*cking hubris and it stinks. saving thousands of lives will not convince you to trade in these pointless stupid weapons.

1 year ago 06/23/2022 10:54pm EDT

re: moronseverywhere

moronseverywhere wrote:
you can probably say this about almost any crime. its a nonsensical argument. just dont understand why americans love guns so much and feel the need to have them as a god given right. completely arbitrary, has no logic in it. its crazy how many strawmen you will throw out to avoid a simple solution to reducing gun deaths. f*cking hubris and it stinks. saving thousands of lives will not convince you to trade in these pointless stupid weapons.

It’s not arbitrary or did you not study the revolutionary war?

1 year ago 06/23/2022 10:58pm EDT

re: moronseverywhere

moronseverywhere wrote:
you can probably say this about almost any crime. its a nonsensical argument. just dont understand why americans love guns so much and feel the need to have them as a god given right. completely arbitrary, has no logic in it. its crazy how many strawmen you will throw out to avoid a simple solution to reducing gun deaths. f*cking hubris and it stinks. saving thousands of lives will not convince you to trade in these pointless stupid weapons.

It’s our God given right to defend ourselves. If the best weapon for it happens to be a gun than so be it.

Let us assume for a second that guns in any form never came into existence and all that exist today are edged weapons. Logical people like me would still fight for our right to own a sword while baby trolls like you would want them taken away.

Thank God the founding fathers were around to write the constitution.

1 year ago 06/23/2022 10:58pm EDT

re: bazooka man

I never go out of the house without an aircraft carrier back me up.

1 year ago 06/23/2022 10:58pm EDT

re: Half right

Half right wrote:
moronseverywhere wrote:
you can probably say this about almost any crime. its a nonsensical argument. just dont understand why americans love guns so much and feel the need to have them as a god given right. completely arbitrary, has no logic in it. its crazy how many strawmen you will throw out to avoid a simple solution to reducing gun deaths. f*cking hubris and it stinks. saving thousands of lives will not convince you to trade in these pointless stupid weapons.
It’s not arbitrary or did you not study the revolutionary war?

Most idiots like him don’t have a basic understanding of history yet alone US history. It’s sad.

1 year ago 06/23/2022 10:59pm EDT

re: moronseverywhere

moronseverywhere wrote:
your country has a gun problem. logically putting heavier restrictions on guns would save lives. dont understand how you idiots dont get this.

Because people with permits to carry aren't the problem?

1 year ago 06/23/2022 11:08pm EDT

re: moronseverywhere

moronseverywhere wrote:
you can probably say this about almost any crime. its a nonsensical argument. just dont understand why americans love guns so much and feel the need to have them as a god given right. completely arbitrary, has no logic in it. its crazy how many strawmen you will throw out to avoid a simple solution to reducing gun deaths. f*cking hubris and it stinks. saving thousands of lives will not convince you to trade in these pointless stupid weapons.

If I put a bayonet on my rifles can I keep them? They don’t be pointless if they have a bayonet.

1 year ago 06/24/2022 12:58am EDT

re: surveysays

surveysays wrote:
Kingdom, Power, Glory, Etc. wrote:
I can't understand why you think "preponderance" or "higher percentage" has anything to do with it, assuming you are even correct.
The OP thinks black people who buy guns for personal or home protection are "little dicked ineffectual nothing's." You appear to agree with him, or at least be defending him.
No he thinks all people who buy guns for personal or home protection are “little dicked ineffectual nothing’s”. Saying that all left-handed people are “little dicked ineffectual nothing’s” wouldn’t be racist either. Same thing. How long are you going to try to continue this silly charade?

You agree with me on what the OP thinks. And you're the one charading. You think some people who own a gun for personal protection are “little dicked ineffectual nothing’s” and some are not, based on a certain criteria. But you won't come out and admit it. That's charadinism.

1 year ago 06/24/2022 6:34am EDT

re: Yawn^23

Yawn^23 wrote:
moronseverywhere wrote:
you can probably say this about almost any crime. its a nonsensical argument. just dont understand why americans love guns so much and feel the need to have them as a god given right. completely arbitrary, has no logic in it. its crazy how many strawmen you will throw out to avoid a simple solution to reducing gun deaths. f*cking hubris and it stinks. saving thousands of lives will not convince you to trade in these pointless stupid weapons.
It’s our God given right to defend ourselves. If the best weapon for it happens to be a gun than so be it.
Let us assume for a second that guns in any form never came into existence and all that exist today are edged weapons. Logical people like me would still fight for our right to own a sword while baby trolls like you would want them taken away.
Thank God the founding fathers were around to write the constitution.

god isn't real, and "rights" are an illusion.

1 year ago 06/24/2022 6:41am EDT

re: god is dead

god is dead wrote:
Yawn^23 wrote:
It’s our God given right to defend ourselves. If the best weapon for it happens to be a gun than so be it.
Let us assume for a second that guns in any form never came into existence and all that exist today are edged weapons. Logical people like me would still fight for our right to own a sword while baby trolls like you would want them taken away.
Thank God the founding fathers were around to write the constitution.
god isn't real, and "rights" are an illusion.

Government provided “safety” is an illusion too. I’d rather not trust the government with my well-being. Thankfully the constitution gives me the ability to protect myself. Whether you see that as an illusion is inconsequential to me and everyone else in this country. I’d rather live under the illusion of freedom than the thumb of a tyrannical government.

1 year ago 06/24/2022 7:19am EDT

re: Kingdom, Power, Glory, Etc.

Haven’t seen a poster being this intentionally obtuse since Ward Cleaver.

1 year ago 06/24/2022 7:23am EDT

re: Kingdom, Power, Glory, Etc.

Kingdom, Power, Glory, Etc. wrote:
That is the law. At least six (6) Supreme Court justices know how to read English. Liberals go home DEVASTATED.

Ok fash.

1 year ago 06/24/2022 8:37am EDT

re: Ggkjjj

Ggkjjj wrote:
Kingdom, Power, Glory, Etc. wrote:
That is the law. At least six (6) Supreme Court justices know how to read English. Liberals go home DEVASTATED.
Ok fash.

It’s painfully obvious when people haven’t taken the time to understand the decision and are just following the outrage mob. The decision removes subjectivity from the decision on whether or not someone can get a permit to carry a gun.

New York used to allow subjective discretion by a judge. So person a and person b could both meet the requirement to obtain a permit, but the judge could like person a and not like person b. Person a gets a permit and person b doesnt, just because the judge decided he didn’t like person b.

This is a good ruling and it takes subjectivity out of the hands of judges, where it didn’t belong anyway.

1 year ago 06/24/2022 8:48am EDT

re: Half right

The thing about gun humpers is that they don't actually want to carry guns around for self-defense; they just want to be able to intimidate normal people wherever they go. They love the feeling that they could just blow someone away if they get made fun of or irritated. These people are cowardly, angry freaks who should be shunned from society.

1 year ago 06/24/2022 9:00am EDT

re: moronseverywhere

The title of the thread is "In the USA, a decent citizen can carry a gun for self-defense"

Sure, any decent citizen can do that. The problem is that so can all the scumbags. Perfectly legally. And that makes it much, much harder to work out who's decent and who's a scumbag.

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