SLO is incredible. Anyone I have talked to that has lived there for any time refers to it as paradise and consistently says that they would live there if they could.
Recruiting is gonna be a lot harder when you’re only recruiting engineering students
not just engineering students. about 20% of students are engineering and its a top school for that field but they excel in other fields. Architecture, Physical sciences, Biology, Business, Wine & Viticulture. Plenty of people I know got accepted to stanford and berkeley and declined at Cal Poly.
Beautiful area with plenty of draw, even for liberal arts. The only difference is that it'll provide an even bigger advantage for recruiting engineering prospects and not detract from students interested in other things.
Cal Poly doesn't somehow have 18 scholarships for men. The cap is 12.6 for men, 18 for women. Capriotti proved himself to be borderline psycho with the Mackey incident years ago, and his complicity with various dopers at Nike says only bad things about him. Other than that, the job is a good one. Van Hoy will be going uphill to out-recruit Stanford, Oregon, Washington, NAU, and Colorado. Don't kid yourself that NAU in particular does not recruit in the far west (as distinct from the mountain west). Where is Newbury Park? Nevertheless, if he could build a powerhouse distance program at Ole Miss, in a sprint conference with tough weather for distance running, then he can do it at Cal Poly. However, I do think he will end up parlaying this into a big-time national program that can recruit anyone successfully.
By the way, people getting into Berkeley and Stanford aren't getting rejected at Cal Poly. I knew multiple mediocre students who got into Cal Poly but not Berkeley and absolutely not Stanford. Who are you kidding?
Somehow Oxford/Ole Miss has attracted some incredible athletes the past decade.
Okay. Lawrence, KS gets some of the top basketball talent. It doesn't mean the city is nice.
Kansas has a little bit of history to it. Phog Allen. Wilt Chamberlain. Larry Brown. Danny Manning. What kind of distance history did Ole Miss have before Van Hoy got there?
Isn't all this in the context of fielding a good teams though? in a good conference? against other good teams? He's going to an objectively higher position in an objectively weaker program. I think that's the salient point.
Recruiting is gonna be a lot harder when you’re only recruiting engineering students
Van Hoy's "bro" culture at Ole Miss is the polar opposite of what engineering students want. Science students are going to be impressed with wesfly youtube videos or mullets and mustaches.
Can Van Hoy change? He's always been the bro wearing sandals to track meets.
Recruiting is gonna be a lot harder when you’re only recruiting engineering students
Van Hoy's "bro" culture at Ole Miss is the polar opposite of what engineering students want. Science students are going to be impressed with wesfly youtube videos or mullets and mustaches.
Can Van Hoy change? He's always been the bro wearing sandals to track meets.
I dont understand this move. Ols Miss is in the SEC whereas Cal Poly is in the Big Sky conference. You’ll never recruit against the PAC12 or SEC with a Mountain West School
31 seniors graduated in California this year with PRs of 9:10 or better. They ALL know Cal Poly's academic reputation is on par with any school in CA with the possible exceptions of Stanford and Berkley. He should have no problems finding talent
Isn't all this in the context of fielding a good teams though? in a good conference? against other good teams? He's going to an objectively higher position in an objectively weaker program. I think that's the salient point.
Have you been to Oxford?
My comment was not at all in the context of fielding good teams. It was in the context of VanHoy choosing to live in SLO/surrounding area instead of Oxford, and having been to both, seems like an easy decision if he can make it work. SLO is much, much nicer.
I dont understand this move. Ols Miss is in the SEC whereas Cal Poly is in the Big Sky conference. You’ll never recruit against the PAC12 or SEC with a Mountain West School
31 seniors graduated in California this year with PRs of 9:10 or better. They ALL know Cal Poly's academic reputation is on par with any school in CA with the possible exceptions of Stanford and Berkley. He should have no problems finding talent
Agreed.
I have no idea why people are arguing about this. He took the job, for whatever reasons.
It's a solid school. He'll get solid recruits. Will he out recruit Stanford? No. But he'll certainly have an opportunity to win some recruiting battles vs UCLA, Cal, Portland, Nau, etc... He'll get plenty of recruits... they already do.
Isn't all this in the context of fielding a good teams though? in a good conference? against other good teams? He's going to an objectively higher position in an objectively weaker program. I think that's the salient point.
Have you been to Oxford?
My comment was not at all in the context of fielding good teams. It was in the context of VanHoy choosing to live in SLO/surrounding area instead of Oxford, and having been to both, seems like an easy decision if he can make it work. SLO is much, much nicer.
fair enough. and to clarify my earlier comment, I realize the problems that affect LA and SF are unique to those once-great cities and fortunately haven't propagated throughout CA (I happen to love Monterey and San Diego and the pacific crest trail and Yosemite and manifold other places). I will push back a bit though: Oxford is a very charming town in my opinion. But that's all any of this is -- subjective opinion, so kinda pointless right (I wouldn't try to convince you to like my favorite song)? Ask one of the Ole Miss fans at the CWS in Omaha right now what they think about Oxford and I'm sure you'd get an earful
Cal Poly is in the Cal State system, which is a crap show. He will learn fast how hard it is to work in a union school where nothing gets done, admission applications get lost, and scholarships take 2-3 weeks to get written. A system that works as slow as a snail. Not to mention the constant issues with budget and approval to fly to "banned states" by the Csu system. Your not even allowed to attend the coaches convention in Texas without special permission. It is not the SEC and he will really struggle to get the same results with a way less efficient machine. Very hard to get in foreigner's. Admissions is difficult. Hard to recruit minority athletes there. Budgets are way lack luster. But it is a beautiful place with nice wine. Good place for a retirement job and to be with family. Not a place to be a national power.