I am on a college team who is fairly competitive.
There are a lot of kids on the team who whine and complain, saying things like the fast kids don't care about me that much and don't encourage me, or I don't get any attention, etc. Most of these kids are walk ons.
Have any of you ever had to deal with this? And I am not talking about in High School or a Girls team. This is a legitimate college male team. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
How about dont give a s-hit about them. Who cares if they b-itch. If they're walk-ons, just drop them.
Here are some suggestions:
Try being their friend and understanding them. Talk to them on the phone late at night about things you have in common: no dates, mad at your dad, etc.
Or spit on them and tell them to come back next years as a freshman with a scholarship and some talent.
Tell them that their complaining brings the team down.
Steal their shoes.
Make up rumors about them.
Study with them.
Make the workouts increasingly more difficult until they quit.
Have every cool guy on the team be the big brother of one of the losers.
thats weird. most of the pussies on our team are on substantial scholarships, and the low scholarship and walk on guys bust their asses.
we just ran them into the ground untill they either got tough or got lost, it worked prtty well.
When they complain, tell them flat out that the reason they don't get attention is because this is a competitive college team and they need to train with that attitude if they want to be accepted with all the runners who are serious about running. If you see that someone is training hard and improving, even if they're not as fast as you, encourage that specific person and invite them out with you and your friends.
walk ons are always the pussies. out of all the kids that complain on my team, a walk on is not ONE SINGLE RUNNER. they are all the undeserving scholarship guys that dont care about the team farther than they can throw them
yes i am a walk-on. yes i am varsity in cross and track. and yes i beat 6 guys on my team in any distance event, who are quarter-half scholarship guys
im not asking for a cookie, but sit the dudes down and tell them whats up. tell them that you are in a legit program, and if they wanna stick around to suck it up, if not, its their choice to leave. but dont treat them like they are any less of a person than you are, just because you were the one born with the talent doesnt mean you are they sh*t and they are scum or something like that.
scholarships are over rated wrote:
walk ons are always the pussies.
i MEANT to say, "walk ons ARENT always the pussies"
and dont discourage those guys that complain, theyll complain more, dont suck them off, but dont kill them either
Just to clarify, I was not saying that all walk ons are pussies--this is hardly the case. There are plenty of success stories about walk ons.
Should the desire to be the best be a mandatory requirement when a coach considers an athlete for a college team?
if you are say, a top 30 in the nation D1 team, yea guys like that shouldnt be running
if you are a deccently succesful serious D2 team, yea guys that arent so hot should be given a shot, it doesnt hurt you.
but i totally understand your point of needing to "trim the fat" sometimes when it comes to teams.
if they do all the training and run what seems to be a good effort, they deserve a shot
if they show up to practice on their own terms, dont attempt all the workouts (providing they are not injured), or just flat out dont show up on certain hard days, this is college it aint junior high anymore, get rid of them
i am a walk-on on a successful Div. II team. i have only been running for two years. but i do hate when the other walk on's do whine like little bitches. they dont have to be out there. i told one guy to quit after a meet because he kept complaining about the course. he was a walk-on. he quit. i have noticed that the scholarship guys dont complain. i hope to be one of then in the sense of scholarship. i dont complain.
DonkeyLips wrote:
I am on a college team who is fairly competitive.
There are a lot of kids on the team who whine and complain, saying things like the fast kids don't care about me that much and don't encourage me, or I don't get any attention, etc. Most of these kids are walk ons.
Have any of you ever had to deal with this? And I am not talking about in High School or a Girls team. This is a legitimate college male team. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
As a former walk-on, I don't agree with complaining, but side with those whiners' views. They should just keep quiet.
It isn't pampering or pats on the back, but some feedback (coaching) once in a while, good or bad. We're trying to make a tough adjustment, and the biggest expert (coach) isn't coaching us, other than handing out workouts. It's pretty natural to not like it.
I ended up improving a lot into a decent D1 runner and eventually got that coaching, but don't think the 2 years of waiting were right. I had a lot to learn about training then, and the last 2 years of coaching would've been great spread out to 4.
Regarding "weeding out the weak", that's garbage. The weak will weed out regardless.
Take one aside who seems to "get it" the most, and explain to him that attention and respect must be earned, not handed out to everyone.
Part of the problem is that even as walk-ons. these guys were probably tops on their HS team and were used to coaches fawning over them and meeting their every demand. Some guys need that attention, and when they aren't the big kahuna in college, it damages their psyche and they never recover.
In the end, you need talent, but it never hurts to have a few guys who have taken a punch and got back up on your team. Those guys will be around for the hard times, even if they aren't the fastest.
dude- act like you're the coach and either kick the shat out of them or tell 'em to join a frat a fuuugaff, u can't have people who don't take things seriously on a serious team- they're always a shoulder to cry on or a sympathy hug for whomever doesn't feel like training hard, in a rut, whatever- can't make a dick out of a pussy....get rid of em.
Just yank their shorts off while running in town. Make them follow you for a mile. Then throw them in a tree. As soon as they're done talkin to mama that night, they'll call the coach and quit.
I doubt it will take any real extream measures. If you are having one or two of your walk-ons that are complaining, all you really need to do is take them aside, explain to them that they are only there because you are letting them, and that if they don't like it and continue to complain, you'll ask them to leave. I bet that solves it.
I wasn't a walk on, but my starting scholarship money was so low I might have well have been. Most of the team b!tches were guys that thought they were great and got big $$. They always wanted to argue about this or that workout, pulled the ol' "High School Harry" routine talking about their HS coach, their big HS accomplishments, etc..
Bring it to the attention of the coach. The atmosphere, the team dynamics are created by the coach. They get paid for this not just to write out schedules. Fortunately I never had to deal with these problems.
we have no place for people like this, they may be allowed to stay on the team, but are normally aliented from the rst of the runners.
im a walk on, i was only top 80 in the state, but in 2 years of college managed to progress myself to 6th man, and i dont whine, so its not always walk ons.
we have a policy that if anyone says anything, or does anything negative in regards to the program, they are gone, no ifs ans or buts about it. you whine, you complain, you down the program, youre out.
Hang around the finish line after a race and as they are finishing say:
"Took you long enough" then walk away.
They'll get the message.
If they beat you there, then you stop whinning.
just fukin rip their shorts off