NAIA Bias in TFN?

Crickets chirping.

Two differences between Letsrun and TFN, as I see it:

Letsrun has as much space as they want so it wouldn't take much at all to include results, or a link at the least, while it does cost TFN for each additional page they include in their magazine.

Letsrun doesn't have to care because this board isn't dependant on subscriptions. TFN does rely on subscriptions and their advertising dollars are determined by the number of readers. So, if people interested in NAIA results let TFN know that they and those they know will end their subscriptions if they don't include at least NAIA National results, they will either include them and save readership, or ignore them and lose readership. I'm sure NAIA runners, coaches, and fans would make some impact on their subscription base if they acted.

That's pretty much your recourse with TFN. End of story.

Smitty,

The point is not the inclusion of NAIA results (they do that as well does XC Xpress) but for Collegiate Records, Juco and NAIA performances are not included (ie Wallace State has a kid who runs 9.5, its not a collegiate record, even though when he shows up at Arkansas it is)

jonesy wrote:

Wallace State has a kid who runs 9.5)

That's not true. The world record isn't even that fast. I assume you are talking about the 100m?

I don't know about the guy from Wallace State, but Davidson Ezinwa of Azusa Pacific (NAIA school) ran 9.91 for 100m in April of 1992 (T&F News even had a story on the feat) but they still list the collegiate record as Ato Boldon's 9.92.

NAIA Fan wrote:

I don't know about the guy from Wallace State, but Davidson Ezinwa of Azusa Pacific (NAIA school) ran 9.91 for 100m in April of 1992 (T&F News even had a story on the feat) but they still list the collegiate record as Ato Boldon's 9.92.

I coach in the NAIA and support it fully, but when it comes to records, particularly in the sprints, NAIA records should not be listed as the NAIA does not record wind speeds. A 9.91 could or could not have been wind aided, but until it is monitored and registered in the results, it is hard to honor. JMO

I don't know where you're coming up with that claim about the NAIA not recording wind speeds. Maybe they don't actually list the wind readngs alongside their national meet records, but that doesn't mean that they weren't measuring the wind on those perfomrances. Ezinwa's record, for instance, was set in a meet with many open and NCAA athletes, and the wind was recorded and is on file. I doubt that many, if any at all, of the NAIA overall records were set in NAIA-only meets such as their national champs, but rather in competitions that also included NCAA athletes.

I don't know what meets measured wind or not, but I do know that by rule, the NAIA does not require wind measurements. That is indisputable. It does not have to be an NAIA only meet to not get wind readings, but just a meet hosted by an NAIA school. My school hosts meets which NCAA schools attend and we do not have wind gauges. I actually see this situation frequently at meets. Please understand that I am an NAIA supporter. That said, I also am objective enough to understand how there could be questions in regard to NAIA times without wind readings. I am not trying to argue with you. I am just stating facts.

You seem to be missing the point coachxctrk.

It could be because the only requirement for participation in the NAIA is having a pulse.

And an 18 on the ACT, ohhhhh, you dont even need that to go DI! So who is more lax?

jonesy wrote:

And an 18 on the ACT, ohhhhh, you dont even need that to go DI! So who is more lax?

You don't need it to go naia either. Anyway, what's the age limit in naia?

actually, much tougher than it used to be with new competitive expereince rules.

basically, if you have ever competed after high school you are charged a season of competition (for each year). and if you are charged a season, you need 24 hours before you can compete, even if you have never attended school. that is really going to keep the foreigners out.

Eric B. wrote:

You seem to be missing the point coachxctrk.

I think I get the point. There should be space allocated for the NAIA information which I fully support. I was just providing a possible explaination as to why at least some NAIA records were not listed under "Records". I think you would have to admit that in order to be fair, NAIA Sprints records should show wind speeds or be listed as an NAIA Record only. JMO

Which NAIA records are you referring to that don't have wind indications listed (where are you finding these records listed) and where are you finding NCAA records listed with corresponding wind indications?

I am not refering to any specific records. I am saying that it is a rule in the NCAA for wind to be measured during a sprint race and it is not a rule for the NAIA. Therefore, an NAIA record could be tainted. Many a NCAA record has not been allowed due to being deemed wind aided. To my knowledge, there has never been a NAIA record rejected due to excessive wind.

The wind speed information is sometimes posted on the results sheet if Hy-Tek is set up to show it.