Definitive Proof DIII > DI

You’re right, 4:07 is silly. We’ve no idea who the best actually is. It’s like watching the Yankees play the Red Sox and both teams refuse to use their best hitters.

No

Go away, Noah. Everyone who beats you all the time as a pro? Yep, all D1, baby!

This is dumb. Centro won the olympics in 3:50, and that doesn't mean any one who has broken 3:50 in the 1500 is faster than him. I agree that the mile was a silly, slow championship race, but your statement is ridiculous.

There is an epidemic of people here who spell "discuss" like the thing you throw.

I'm a DIII runner, but shut up

DFL in final. D1 409, D3 415. /EOT

Number of sub-4:00 this indoor season

D3 - 1

D1 - 90

😂

you guys really suck at detecting trolling. do you all really think the OP thinks that D1 is better than D3 because of a single, obviously skewed race result?

OP I'd give you a high troll score but these responses just make me sad for humanity

This. Terrible data points. Garbage in, garbage out.

also d1 nationals on a banked track like usual, while d3 nationals on a flat track, so really there's even a greater disparity between winning times

4:08 won D2, as I see it D2=D1

Lol bro, if you knew what kind of tracks D3 runs on vs. the short tracks D1 flock to the number would easily be closer to

D3: 25-30

D1: ~50

The gap isn’t as big as you’d think

Now this take is more egregious than the original post!

D3 also never has pacers. The vast majority of D1 sub 4s come from a bunch of guys in a train following their teammate pacers. Oh, and superspikes.

It would be about the same if D3 ran on the same tracks and had the same opportunities. Division isn't what makes people fast. They guys are all human.

You need to get over yourself. Seriously....

D3 is about as competitive as a 2nd tier D1 conference e.g. Metro Atlantic. Look at the #10, #50 times. Look at outdoor track depth. Look at XC times. D3 usually has a sub 4 and sub 29 every ~5yrs, and maybe 1-2 sub 14 every year. The same as MAC

Yes, I agree that Ryan Aidan would have won D1 nationals this weekend with his 4:05 on a flat track. Recall that for many years he was developed under the expert coaching of my son, Jamie Norton, who is a 4:06 miler and also would have won D1 nationals. D3 is superior