Penn State or OSU. Who are you referring to?
Penn State or OSU. Who are you referring to?
I agree....But a big part of "coaching" is keeping your athletes healthy so they can run at the end of the season...
I'm fixing up the stuff I was given by Craig Whitmore. His methods for rankings were a little strange, and only went 10 deep at best. I'm working on getting a complete set of High School Annuals but the old ones aren't cheap. So to sum up. . .if it's legit, it will eventually be there. My requirements for being listed on the Ohio HS lists is the athlete had to be a student at an Ohio HS at the time (summer immediately after graduation counts too).
If you want to see all the crap Craig gave me (some a few years out of date) plus some more, try this link:
Well that seems to be a major problem at Penn State. They are notorious for having issues with eating disorders that eventually lead to other health problems. If you look at past history the girls tend to get slower each year and there are considerable injuries and health problems. The atmosphere at Penn State promotes this and it will continue as long as Beth stays.
Point taken. I was just trying to fill in the blanks. I just don't think the OSU women get the talent and depth to start with. I attempt to throw no stones, but would like to point out that if the talent and depth improve and then so will the team as with any team of course. Anyone who has ever coached knows that some years you are the most brilliant coach in the world and the next the whole dam thing falls apart. Many times with the same athletes. Take out of it what you want. If Gary coached the women this year does that mean he is a good mens coach, but can't coach women for shit? I have my own opinion, but don't think it is important to share.
If they were really serious about doing well on the women' side, they could be pretty good. They actually have some decent talent in the program right now but they have no real direction or atmosphere to build around.
I would love to see what guys like Scott Jones and Kevin Hadsell could do at Ohio State given some resources. The Toledo women have been in the Top-4 in the region only a couple of years ago and are always in the top-7 or 8 or so. The Akron women are not as consistent in cross country as Toledo but are very good in the middle distances on the track.
My guess is that Hadsell would not leave Toledo but I can see Jones leaving Akron since he is just an assistant anyways.
Maybe things will be better with Gary at the helm of the training.
Ohio State competes pretty well with Akron and Toledo at the All Ohio and so the reason Ohio State is not any good is because of these resources? How do you recruit the top Ohio runners away from Michigan, NC State, Georgetown, and other schools like these when they can promise to compete for conference and maybe even National titles. So that leaves them recruiting the same athletes that the MAC schools are competing for and at least these MAC schools can tell them they will compete for a conference title. I don't know to many successful coaches that would want the Ohio State womens job. You get to go work for Russ and Robert Gary. Do you know either one of these guys? The womens cross coach is the last on the resource food chain in the OSU track and cross program. Think about it. Russ gets to be a head track coach and Robert gets to be a head cross coach and the assistant gets the women's program and hey we want you to go compete against the best womens cross programs in the country. Sounds like a lot of fun. I am sure the most intelligent and successful people in the coaching world are climbing over themselves for a chance at this job. Sure there are plenty on this board that could do better, but hey I guess Robert and Russ don't want you coaching there or you would have the job right now. Like I said, where are the resources you speak of?
Do not put Russ and Rob anywhere in the same paragraph. Rob will get the women's teams going sooner rather than later. Also, the truth is that OSU beat Akron at the National Invite. 2 weeks later, Akron won the MAC and Ohio State got 9th at Big 10's. Poor coaching or great coaching either way, I don't know. But one thing is for sure, the Big 10 is a heck of a lot more competitive than the MAC.
I guess I hope your right, but do we know if he has the women yet if so then he screwed up this year by getting two runners hurt right? At least that is how some people on the board might see it. Best of luck to the OSU women in the future. I still don't think the turnaround will be as easy as some might think.
The top MAC school usually would be between 4th and 6th in the Big-10 on the women's side. The last time a MAC school beat more Big-10 schools at the region was in 2001 when Toledo finished 4th behind only Michigan State who was the Big-10 champs that year and ahead of Michigan who was 2nd. In 2002 I think Ball State and Toledo beat all but the top-2 or 3 Big-10 schools.
The Big10 women have gotten better since with Minnesota and Illinois and Iowa improving.
Just got off the phone with Chad. Ohioan you are a dumbass. Chad does do the coaching. I dont know who you know but i know him personaly. Get your facts straight. dont just post rumors.
Did you ask who writes the workouts and plans the overall training program? That is the coach. As I clearly said before, Myers is still very involved in the daily coaching, and does a good job IMHO. If he told you he is writing the program and training this fall, then he is telling you a lie or he & Gary are telling me a lie. I know Myers would never lie to anyone and going on your firm grasp of communication as shown to me above, I'd guess you've made assumptions without getting all the facts.
I am familiar with the program an in the last 3 years have watched 3 talented runners succome to eating disorder problems. The team is a mess and the coach almost encourages this behavior. Why would Brigit go to a program like this?
And since you are so familiar with the program how does a coach "almost" encourages this behavior? Does he tell them not to eat? Does he tell them that they will run faster if they have an eating disorder? Does he encourage them to run hundreds of miles and not go to dinner? Please tell us how he encourages them to have an eating disorder?
I'm not going to claim that I have all the inside information, but I do know Coach Myers quite well. To lay something like that without any substantive facts is not only immature, but foolish.
Seems like everyone on this message board shits all over the women coaches, but gives the men's coaches a free ride. Want to take a look at some of the men's teams, and their body fat composition, and their possible disordered eating? Bet not.
I think Ohioan was talking about Penn State not OSU.
To another ohioan:
You bring up the issue of Toledo and Akron's success. That success is due to foreign athletes. It might be wise for Ohio State to do the same.
I can buy into Toledo's success being largely dependant on foreign runners (except for Shook), but Akron's has been mostly with American kids with the noteable exception of Beata. I don't think it would be wise at all given the depth of female distance running talent in Ohio high schools. If Miami can draw good talent and do next to nothing with it, then OSU can get those girls and do well.
I do agree that their turn around won't be as fast as some would like, but with Robert and Chad both working hard at it, it is likely to happen.
I know the Franeks pretty well and I would predict that they would pull the plug and transfer if things are as bad there as the pundits say they are. The reality is that most people looking in from the outside usually don't know as much as they think they do.
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If Miami can draw good talent and do next to nothing with it, then OSU can get those girls and do well.
I do agree that their turn around won't be as fast as some would like, but with Robert and Chad both working hard at it, it is likely to happen.
I see this as a catch-22 for OSU. Ohio's top athletes like Franek, Olding, Infeld, etc. do not give OSU a look due their lack of history & lack of a high powered distance program presently. The next tier athlete does not have the credentials (by Big 10 standards) to offer even partial aid. These athletes won't walk-on because the MAC and other in-state schools offer them money.
I agree also that Gary & Myers are excellent coaches that will find their niche in getting things turned around. In fact, it is happening. It is just not a quick & easy fix that some seem to think it is.
I agree that a lot of Toledo's runners are foreign, but the main point is that Hadsell makes them better. Just because someone is from another country does not mean that they are automatically going to be good or improve. You still have to coach those kids and Toledo has done a great job of developing their talent both American and Foreign.
One could argue that Hadsell does get better recruits than other MAC schools, but the point still remains that those kids have improved by his coaching. You could also say that the level of international kids that Hadsell gets at Toledo is comparable to the level of American kids he could get if he were the coach at Ohio State.
Put Hadsell at Miami and you are looking at a Top-20 program consistently.